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Re: Turkey fans disrupt minutes silence for Paris

Postby insan » Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:23 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
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Turkey=ISIS


AKP=Daesh, yes.

There is an interview in one of the few remaining opposition newspapers in Turkey with a defected Daesh ex-commander who describes the extent of the support the genocidal gang gets from the Turkish intelligence services, with them even bringing McDonalds hamburgers for the fighters.

http://www.cumhuriyet.com.tr/haber/duny ... _icin.html

Surely Western intelligence must know about this. They need to get rid of Erdoğan if they are serious about fighting Daesh. Turkey under the AKP is not a serious ally in this battle.



AKP=DAESH? If so; all western world and their allies in east = DAESH

Turkey cannot act against the interests of the west and it's allies in the east regarding DAESH... it's impossible... had there been such a situation, Turkey would have been kicked out and sanctioned by the western powers... why do you believe the statements or so-called statements of any DAESH ex-commander as if it is true? Couldn't it be a diversion tactic of DAESH in order to destablize NATO and Turkey in the interests of DAESH?


http://www.sozcu.com.tr/2015/yazarlar/e ... ay-968043/


You still are not aware of that the issue between Erdogan and the so-called opposition media of Turkey is all about the self-interests of the multi-billionaire Aydin Dogan... nad of course Feto...
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Re: Turkey fans disrupt minutes silence for Paris

Postby insan » Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:37 pm

insan wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
kurupetos wrote:
Turkey=ISIS


AKP=Daesh, yes.

There is an interview in one of the few remaining opposition newspapers in Turkey with a defected Daesh ex-commander who describes the extent of the support the genocidal gang gets from the Turkish intelligence services, with them even bringing McDonalds hamburgers for the fighters.

http://www.cumhuriyet.com.tr/haber/duny ... _icin.html

Surely Western intelligence must know about this. They need to get rid of Erdoğan if they are serious about fighting Daesh. Turkey under the AKP is not a serious ally in this battle.



AKP=DAESH? If so; all western world and their allies in east = DAESH

Turkey cannot act against the interests of the west and it's allies in the east regarding DAESH... it's impossible... had there been such a situation, Turkey would have been kicked out and sanctioned by the western powers... why do you believe the statements or so-called statements of any DAESH ex-commander as if it is true? Couldn't it be a diversion tactic of DAESH in order to destablize NATO and Turkey in the interests of DAESH?


http://www.sozcu.com.tr/2015/yazarlar/e ... ay-968043/


You still are not aware of that the issue between Erdogan and the so-called opposition media of Turkey is all about the self-interests of the multi-billionaire Aydin Dogan... nad of course Feto...



"Conclusion

The structure of media ownership is very important for the benefits of the society to prevent self-interest to get involved in the business of providing unbiased information. Moreover, it is important because it can result with provocations by the government and to have totalitarian power, which would destroy democracy in countries. However, on the other hand, the ownership of media by private capital owners, who also operate in other businesses like Aydin Dogan, become dependent on the government and become again biased. The bias is the negative externalities that are produced by the media industries and hold great importance for preserving the freedom of individuals like Milton Freedman. Furthermore, the media should prevent negative production externalities and serve the society with releasing truths about businesses, however, because the business owners own the media as well, it becomes impossible. Therefore, only people that only operate in media industry should own media, however, monopolization of the sector should be still prevented to avoid centralization of power. "

http://www.123helpme.com/media-ownershi ... ?id=166363


"Secular opposition

Seeing a direct connection between this conflict and secular bourgeoisie’s opposition to the Justice and Development Party (AKP), Savran says the following:

“Doğan buys a big piece of land and tries to make hefty profit from it by trying to increase its price with a new zone plan and asks Prime Minister’s permission for a new refinery. Erdoğan says Italian Prime Minister Berlusconi and Russian President Putin are involved in the whole thing. The bourgeoisie is making huge profits in these dirty relations and we learn about them when the holding boss and the prime minister get into an argument.”

http://bianet.org/kadin/politics/109663 ... hin-itself
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Re: Turkey fans disrupt minutes silence for Paris

Postby Tim Drayton » Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:24 pm

insan wrote:You still are not aware of that the issue between Erdogan and the so-called opposition media of Turkey is all about the self-interests of the multi-billionaire Aydin Dogan... nad of course Feto...


Well, yes, but for example Cumhuriyet is neither part of the Aydın Doğan stable - which now appears to have capitulated following the last sham elections - nor 'Feto' (i.e. Fetullah Gülen).
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Re: Turkey fans disrupt minutes silence for Paris

Postby Tim Drayton » Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:40 pm

insan wrote:AKP=DAESH? If so; all western world and their allies in east = DAESH

Turkey cannot act against the interests of the west and it's allies in the east regarding DAESH... it's impossible... had there been such a situation, Turkey would have been kicked out and sanctioned by the western powers... why do you believe the statements or so-called statements of any DAESH ex-commander as if it is true? Couldn't it be a diversion tactic of DAESH in order to destablize NATO and Turkey in the interests of DAESH?



Yes, but this article is only one tiny bit of evidence showing that the AKP has at the very least has tolerated and turned a blind eye to Daesh operating in Turkey and that a lot of people under its umbrella are outright Daesh supporters. I, too, conclude that Western intelligence must know about this and given that, as you say, Turkey is a client state of the USA and the West in general, I ask myself why they tolerate it. I can only come to a range of conclusions, from one extreme being that this supports the conspiracy theory that Daesh is really supported by the West to, at the other extreme, that the West no longer controls Turkey to the extent that it once did. As I previously said elsewhere prior to the November elections in Turkey, with the result seemingly hanging in the balance, if the West so wanted it could do things behind the scenes to see to it that a non-AKP government was formed and Erdoğan was relegated to his constitutional duties as president. It thus looks like the AKP still has the support of the West, although I could be wrong about the West's ability to influence that election and, in particular, to stop the AKP from rigging the poll. I actually think that the best explanation is that global capital trusts the AKP best to look after its investments and interests in Turkey, and also there is a naivety in the West about Erdoğan and the AKP which leads to them misreading the latters' long-term goals and thus failing to understand that they have similar aims to Daesh but are just a lot more gradualistic about getting there.
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Re: Turkey fans disrupt minutes silence for Paris

Postby Tim Drayton » Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:48 pm



I have taken a glance at that article and it seems right. I have always been suspicious of all media barons and have always felt the same about Aydın Doğan. On the other hand, I must say that I thought Radikal, from his stable, was by far the best newspaper in Turkey until a few years ago. There are still a tiny number of papers in Turkey that are not controlled by either the AKP, Aydın Doğan or Fethullah Gülen, but I fear that very soon we will only be left with the AKP media as the party moves in the direction of totalitarianism.
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Re: Turkey fans disrupt minutes silence for Paris

Postby Get Real! » Thu Nov 19, 2015 5:31 pm

Nigeria bombing... 38 dead, but no minute's silence because they're black! :wink:

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/18/afric ... index.html

Fuck this planet...
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Re: Turkey fans disrupt minutes silence for Paris

Postby miltiades » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:34 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:


I have taken a glance at that article and it seems right. I have always been suspicious of all media barons and have always felt the same about Aydın Doğan. On the other hand, I must say that I thought Radikal, from his stable, was by far the best newspaper in Turkey until a few years ago. There are still a tiny number of papers in Turkey that are not controlled by either the AKP, Aydın Doğan or Fethullah Gülen, but I fear that very soon we will only be left with the AKP media as the party moves in the direction of totalitarianism.

You are all fucked up psycho !!
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Re: Turkey fans disrupt minutes silence for Paris

Postby Lordo » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:40 pm

who are you calling a fucked up psycho you stupid old fool
alobos ibges botses do gochinon bale, lamne na djimihis reh yeroglsimo dje eynigen onussu bastellin bale gavole.
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Re: Turkey fans disrupt minutes silence for Paris

Postby miltiades » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:46 pm

Lordo wrote:who are you calling a fucked up psycho you stupid old fool
alobos ibges botses do gochinon bale, lamne na djimihis reh yeroglsimo dje eynigen onussu bastellin bale gavole.

Another fucked up psycho !!
You are half brothers arent you ?
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