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[Simon]

Simon, enosis is dead and Cyprus will never join Greece.

So if this is the case, why don't TCs re-integrate themselves into Cyprus as one nation, with 1 person, 1 vote and forget the 'TRNC' and any sort of stealth partition. Why aren't GCs allowed to return home?

If enosis, is dead, GCs have no longer got any need or desire to suppress you and take over the island etc, so why do we need a BBF (code for stealth partition). I have said that enosis will probably never happen, so I will accept proportionality in Cyprus. But while you demand the maximum, so will I.

[Piratis]

The problem today is not enosis. The problem is that while enosis is indeed dead, the Turks insist on their extreme (and illegal) position for partition.

[Simon]

The problem is that while enosis is indeed dead, the Turks insist on their extreme (and illegal) position for partition.

Similar, although not quite identical, to what I have said above.

[Pasha]

Simon, enosis is dead and Cyprus will never join Greece.

So if this is the case, why don't TCs re-integrate themselves into Cyprus as one nation, with 1 person, 1 vote and forget any sort of BBF crap (which is stealth partition anyway).

If enosis, is dead, GCs have no longer got any need or desire to suppress you and take over the island etc, so why do we need a BBF. I have said that enosis will probably never happen, so I will accept proportionality. But while you demand the maximum, so will I.

You can demand what you like. The simple fact is whilst you give the impression you want a one state nation, you still want to rule over the Turkish Cypriots.

Yes, it's possible that GC's no longer have the desire to take over the island, but from what I've seen and heard from various GC's is that your extreme nationalism is still very much alive. You guys even made a post about "the only way to get your land back is through war". The situation is laughable.

[Piratis]

But while you demand the maximum, so will I.

This is a good approach towards those that think that was is fair is what lies in the middle.

If people simply realized that what is fair is not the middle between 2 opposing positions, then there would be no need for anybody to demand the maximum in order to balance the maximum demands of the other side.

The compromise was made in 1960: No union with Greece, no partition. One united independent Cyprus. Both GCs and TCs should realize that nobody can gain more on the expense of the other from what is already agreed.

Most GCs have realized this. When will TCs realize it also?

[Piratis]

the only way to get your land back is through war

It was a question, not an answer. What do you answer to this question? Is there any peaceful way that GCs can recover the land that was illegally stolen from them in 1974? If there is then please tell us.

[Viewpoint]

Simon, enosis is dead and Cyprus will never join Greece.

So if this is the case, why don't TCs re-integrate themselves into Cyprus as one nation, with 1 person, 1 vote and forget the 'TRNC' and any sort of stealth partition. Why aren't GCs allowed to return home?

If enosis, is dead, GCs have no longer got any need or desire to suppress you and take over the island etc, so why do we need a BBF (code for stealth partition). I have said that enosis will probably never happen, so I will accept proportionality in Cyprus. But while you demand the maximum, so will I.

Simon you should honestly ask yourself why we demand BBF and not just reintergrating into the "RoC". You tell me why you think this is and how you suggest we overcome obsticles.

[Simon]

You can demand what you like. The simple fact is whilst you give the impression you want a one state nation, you still want to rule over the Turkish Cypriots.

My god, see how much the attitude changes when you propose proportionality.

It has gone from

Simon, enosis is dead and Cyprus will never join Greece.

To (after offering proportionality)

you still want to rule over the Turkish Cypriots.

You soon change your tune when GCs offer fairness. It scares you oppressors to death!

[cypezokyli]

OK, so a country has a referendum on whether to join the EU. 70% VOTE FOR, 30% VOTE AGAINST.

The country joins the EU. The 30% do not like it and start rioting. What happens? The last thing that happens is that the country does a u-turn.

In fact, I have the perfect example. In the UK, fox-hunting was banned, mainly because the majority of the country was against it. The minority started rioting in London, and even got into the House of Commons to protest. Has the UK allowed fox-hunting again because of the minority?? NO!

I am not saying that we should ignore the TC community. Of course not. But what I am saying is, that in any democratic country, the majority of the people choose, by voting.

great examples!!!
if i may, i will add another one.
kosovo used to have an autonomy inside yougoslavia. no rial riots happened. then the clever, or allow me, the "democrat" milosevic comes along and decides that the albanians shouldnot enjoy that privilage any more. thats what democacy dictates isnt it?
2006 the partition of kosovo is aboud to realise. the best the serbs can achieve, is an even greater autonomy than they one the kosovars had before. great strategy!!! and all in the name of nationalism... excuse me democracy...
what do you thing the serbians would have done if they could turn the watch back?

and all that, doesnot assume, the humanitarian costs on both sides

Haven't you noticed. LOL. We already have partition.

havent you noticed?
its because of people like you that we have partition. they also wanted enosis, remember ?

Simon, enosis is dead and Cyprus will never join Greece.

Get over it ! Rolling Eyes

he will never get over it. the only reason i keep replying is to avoid having the tc compatriots believing in any kind of secret-agenda.

[Piratis]

Simon you should honestly ask yourself why we demand BBF and not just reintergrating into the "RoC".

In 1960 we agreed for the compromise of RoC. With BBF you get more than what you got from RoC.

However thats not enough for you, since what you demand has nothing to do with BBF (which we accepted), but is a disguised partition which would give you A LOT more (on our expense) than what you had with RoC and what you would get with BBF.

Therefore you demand the maximum you believe you can get and you will keep demanding it until you realized it is not possible (like we did with the case of enosis).