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[erolz66]

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_ME ... 628_en.htm

I am posting this latest news for those who may actually have an interest in what is really happening. Of course this thread will be hijacked by GiG who will try and twist reality to suit her agenda just as she has all previous such announcements from the EU and will then descend into the usual mess.

Anyway

My overview of the above EU Commission press release.

The Commission has decided to make it's proposals ahead of the 'three month deadline' set in the Council's implementing decision of the 12 Feb
They are not proposing introduction of border controls at the Schengen internal borders of Greece, (namely airports and ports.)
They are proposing that those Schengen members that had unilaterally re imposed boarder controls at internal Schengen boarders (Germany, Austria, Sweden, Denmark and the associated country Norway) and could only do so unilaterally for a period of three months, be allowed to continue such controls for a period of 6 more months.
They are proposing this on the basis that "not all of the serious deficiencies identified in Greece's external border management have been adequately and comprehensively addressed within the three months' time limit laid down in the Schengen Borders Code."

[GreekIslandGirl]

They are not proposing introduction of border controls at the Schengen internal borders of Greece, (namely airports and ports.)

Over four months he has hounded me with this ...

And yet the EU Commission is criticising and threatening sanctions against Greece.

Learn to listen ... Greece's borders are a subtle distinction from the JOINT EU external borders that deficient Frontex has had to manage.

[erolz66]

Sane people can read the document for themselves and understand what it means. Sane people will realise that EU Commission proposing that the 5 states that unilaterally re imposed boarder controls on routes from Greece be allowed to continue such for another 6 months is a disaster for Greece and with the entire EU Turkey migration deal looking like it might collapse even more so. Sane people will understand that the commission is recommending this because of "current shortcomings in the protection of the external border by and in Greece". Sane people will understand what 'by and in Greece' means. Sane people will understand what "This is primarily the responsibility of Greece, but ultimately of the entire Union." means. They will understand this does not mean Greece has no responsibility and that all responsibility lies with frontex and other EU states. Sane people will know that you just deny reality when it suits you need to do so and that this is what you do here and have always done here on this forum. Same old same old.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Sane people can read the document for themselves and understand what it means.

Sane people would realise that you are merely muck-spreading over something that every country had the right to do, before anything to do with Frontex's deficiencies and they exercised this right since Merkel opened her arms to refugees and the route to Germany! Do you not see the weakness in your Greek-bashing?

[erolz66]

Sane people can read the document for themselves and understand what it means.

Sane people would realise that you are merely muck-spreading over something that every country had the right to do, before anything to do with Frontex's deficiencies and they exercised this right since Merkel opened her arms to refugees and the route to Germany! Do you not see the weakness in your Greek-bashing?

Those countries that imposed border controls did not have any right to maintain them beyond 3 months without approval from the EU at a federal level, as per acquis governing Schengen. As ever there is reality and there is your fantasy world. The document explicitly states "shortcomings in the protection of the external border by and in Greece" and no where does it explicitly refer to deficiencies by Frontex. This is the reality of what the document actual says and as ever when faced with a reality you do not like you just deny that reality and will keep on doing so over and over and over just have as you have for month after month, for this is what you do here on this forum. It is what you have always done. A seven year old could read and understand what is in this document. Your denial of reality is a blatant and crass and obvious as it always has been.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Your demonisation of Greeks continues in line with the Nazis who demonised Jews so that they did not have to feel guilty when carrying out ethnic cleansing - you follow the same (conscious or subconscious) deeply evil line to demonise the Greeks so that Turkey can continue her racial removal of Greeks from northern Cyprus and you can live there 'happily'. For this reason all your analyses of this situation have been deeply flawed.

Italy received nearly as many refuges passing through its borders to go to Germany, Sweden etc. Did any of these countries you mention say we shall take 5,000 refugees from Italy but we shall only take 80 from Greece because Greece has been deficient in its border management? Are refugees from Italy flooding through and only those from Greece being denied by these border impositions?

Are border restrictions only against Greece, idiot?

Austria has unveiled plans to build a huge fence at the pass and station soldiers to repel a wave of migrants expected to arrive in Italy this summer.

express

These countries don't care whether 800,000 refugees have been 'fingerprinted' by Greece or Frontex before they rampage through their countries - they care about the huge NUMBERS - that's why they will take, 50 or 80 per day - they don't have to leave people to drown, they can regulate intake and so they selfishly choose to do so. Greece didn't force anyone to stay out of its borders and leave them to drown instead - they all came in who could make it in their Turkish-sold dinghies. There is no ill-feeling against Greece and it's eating you up with anger.

You are proving that EU countries are still free to manage their own borders and you hate it that your 'expulsion' or 'sanctions' of Greece is now an established lie. The external border is a joint responsibility and its maintenance or closure affects all EU countries not just one nation.

But the main way the EU can tackle this EU-wide problem is to improve its Frontex management of the JOINT external borders - Frontex was responsible for the management of the one million refugees arriving from Turkey to go to Merkel - not Greece. And the EU is NOW improving Frontex because it was deficient no matter how much you would rather blame Greece and misread the geographical references - and this fact you continue to deny and ignore so that you can harp on that this is all Greece's fault whilst once again your evil nation of Turkey continues to DESTROY. Your analysis is that of a pure racist but you cannot see it or have seized to care.

[erolz66]

Are border restrictions only against Greece, idiot?

Austria has unveiled plans to build a huge fence at the pass and station soldiers to repel a wave of migrants expected to arrive in Italy this summer.

As ever you revel in your blatant distortion of reality to suit your needs. You ignore what the official EU Commission document that this thread is about actually and explicitly says, because you do not like that reality, and instead quote from the daily express newspaper istead. This is what you do, what you have always done.

The official EU document this thread is about explicitly asks and answers your question above as a child could see.

Are the proposed controls linked only to the situation in Greece, or do they take into account the overall migratory situation (e.g. also flows coming from Italy)?
The temporary controls proposed by the Commission are only linked to the serious deficiencies identified in the external border management by Greece and the secondary movements resulting from these deficiencies.

What does this mean for controls between Austria and Italy?
Controls at the Austrian border with Italy, not related to the Greece/Turkey migratory route do not fall under this proposal and would have to be subject to a separate notification under the Schengen Border Code, restarting the process from scratch and subject to an assessment of the proportionality and necessity of the measures.

Ignore what the EU Commission has actually explicitly said, claim they have in fact said the opposite of what they have actually said and quote from an irrelevant media report. Do this incessantly for month after month after month detached from any and all reality you do not like, whilst launching ad hominem attack after ad hominem attack on those who challenge your distortions. This is what you do. This is what you have always done.

A child could read and understand what is in this EU Commission document. It is all there plain and unambiguous, yet you continue to ignore and distort and distract from this reality for no other reason that you do not like the reality because this is what you do.

[GreekIslandGirl]

I suggest you reread without the racism that's driving your misinterpretations and need to skip over essential reasoning.

For example:

Greece is, mainly due to its geographical situation, particularly affected by the refugee crisis and has faced a dramatic increase in the number of migrants arriving on the Aegean islands.

Greece's external borders are also the external borders of each member of the Schengen area.

[erolz66]

I suggest you reread without the racism that's driving your misinterpretations and need to skip over essential reasoning.

For example:

Greece is, mainly due to its geographical situation, particularly affected by the refugee crisis and has faced a dramatic increase in the number of migrants arriving on the Aegean islands.

Greece's external borders are also the external borders of each member of the Schengen area.

What the EU explicitly said, once again, only days ago

This is primarily the responsibility of Greece, but ultimately of the entire Union. Greece's external borders are also the external borders of each member of the Schengen area.

What I said three months ago

The evaluation is critical of the body that has primary day to day responsibility and in that case it was and is Greece and its national agencies charged with meeting these obligations.

This is the reality. That you have spent months trying to deny this reality and claim that Greece was not found by the EU to be seriously neglecting Greece's obligations, that only Frontex was found to be deficient, that Greece was not primarily responsible for the management of those external boarders within Greece and all the rest of your distortions, just shows, yet again, what you do when reality is something you do not like. Shows what you have always done here when you do not like reality. A child could see this.

[GreekIslandGirl]

You're still failing to grasp that each and every Schengen member state does have responsibility for their borders, hence why some do not wish to work within Schengen, but the external borders are:

.....ultimately of the entire Union

What you are attempting to propagate is that the ultimate joint responsibility is working fine - but Greece is not.

This is because you are a racist.

For the surveillance of the sea border with Turkey, Greece is relying significantly on the support of the EU, Frontex and other Member States. However, without this support, an adequate level of sea border surveillance could not be maintained by Greece.

It's telling you - Greece alone COULD NOT maintain this level of external border management! It's identifying all those others responsible for joint support! But no, you just want to blame Greece and ignore the whole picture. All those other groups are co-managing the external border and if there are any deficiencies, any logical person would deduce that even the whole of the EU and Frontex etc are still struggling with this TURK-created crisis!

But according to YOU and your lie/message, Greece is working in isolation!

That's because you are a racist.

If Greece could work at something in isolation and be praised- you would ignore it. More likely, as has happened, you would derail any attempts to point out something that Greece has done well and add bile, because this is what you have done on countless threads.

That's because you are a racist.