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[Londonrake]

apart from the PM just stuck two fingers up at 1,357,000,000 people - me thinks shes going to torpedo the QUITTERS ...

Can you elaborate upon that statement please?

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36903904

I'm obviously missing something here. It's probably another translation problem.

There's been a 3 month delay in the decision to go ahead (or not) with the Hinkley nuclear plant project. Vince Cable says that May had earlier security concerns about allowing the Chinese to build such an important installation. How does that translate into something to do with reversing the Out referendum vote? At least, I assume that's what you're implying with the two fingers comment.

i think from now on we have to agree to the fact that we have look at things from a totally different angle ...

"Even supporters of nuclear power now recognise how bad this deal is. It means signing up our future to some of the most expensive electricity we have seen, and handing over £30 billion in subsidies to France and China just isn't a credible economic plan."

Theresa May’s government has made a “bewildering and bonkers” decision to pull back on signing a deal to build Britain’s first new nuclear power station in 20 years, just a day after it was given approval and funding.

French energy firm EDF, 85% owned by the rebublic of france , which is financing most of the £18 billion project at Hinkley Point in Somerset, approved the funding at a board meeting on Thursday, although its board was split.

Contracts were expected to be finalized on Friday but the government shocked the industry by saying it wanted more time to study the details.
Current price is £42 megawatt-hour of electricity, price guaranteed for Hinkley point £92.50. With the price of renew-ables coming down all the time and the expansion of fracking there is no sign of the price ever getting this high.
Gas stations produce more carbon, but what would you rather have a steel industry or a smaller carbon footprint, don't forget this power station will produce 8% of all our energy so this will be a large burden to the UK and all it's citizens.

Your bills are about to be 3 times what they are now or start investing in candles or oil lamps.
It's not just the lights going out, any industry we have left will take flight.
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That's all very interesting - and sorry to keep coming back to things - but how does it relate to your comments about the PM sticking two fingers up at the Leave voters and torpedoing them? That ought to be easy to explain without using acres of business article bumf.

It isn't really a case of looking at things differently. You keep posting unsubstantiated, sweeping statements. Then, when asked for clarification, shoot off at an unrelated tangent.

In a similar vein. I''m genuinely interested in why you're so vocal and passionate in your opposition to the referendum result. Far more so in fact than a lot of others on this Forum that could, unlike yourself, actually end up suffering. So far all you've come up with though is some vague (and again, unsubstantiated) comment about the road to war.

[Tim Drayton]

A good reason for the UK to leave the EU ......... only an opinion but well reasoned.

Is Europe Doomed By Vassalage To Washington? - By Paul Craig Roberts

The conquest was certain but not all at once. Washington’s conquest of Europe resulted from the Marshall Plan, from fears of Stalin’s Red Army that caused Europe to rely on Washington’s protection and to subordinate Europe’s militaries to Washington in NATO, from the replacement of the British pound as world reserve currency with the US dollar, and from the long process of the subordination of the sovereignty of individual European countries to the European Union, a CIA initiative implemented by Washington in order to control all of Europe by controlling only one unaccountable government.

With few exceptions, principally the UK, membership in the EU also meant loss of financial independence. As only the European Central Bank, an EU institution, can create euros, those countries so foolish as to accept the euro as their currency no longer have the power to create their own money in order to finance budget deficits.

The countries that joined the euro must rely on private banks to finance their deficits. The result of this is that over-indebted countries can no longer pay their debts by creating money or expect their debts to be written down to levels that they can service. Instead, Greece, Portugal, Latvia, and Ireland were looted by the private banks.

The EU forced the pseudo-governments of these countries to pay the northern European private banks by suppressing the living standards of their populations and by privatizing public assets at pennies on the dollar. Thus retirement pensions, public employment, education and health services have been cut and the money redirected to private banks. Municipal water companies have been privatized with the result being higher water bills. And so on.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... e45194.htm

On the other hand, Noam Chomsky's opinion is that the UK leaving the EU will turn it into an even bigger poodle of the US than it already is.

[Tim Drayton]

By the way, I don't think you read the article properly.

A good reason for the UK to leave the EU .........

Is Europe Doomed By Vassalage To Washington? - By Paul Craig Roberts



With few exceptions, principally the UK,

Well reasoned? It ends "and so on." What kind of reasoning is that?

[Robin Hood]

By the way, I don't think you read the article properly.

A good reason for the UK to leave the EU .........

Is Europe Doomed By Vassalage To Washington? - By Paul Craig Roberts



With few exceptions, principally the UK,

Well reasoned? It ends "and so on." What kind of reasoning is that?

The complete paragraph said .......... "With few exceptions, principally the UK, membership in the EU also meant loss of financial independence. As only the European Central Bank, an EU institution, can create Euros, those countries so foolish as to accept the euro as their currency no longer have the power to create their own money in order to finance budget deficits."

i.e. The UK did not lose its financial independence, imagine the problem we would have now if we were ALSO tied to the Euro ..... it would make exiting almost impossible!

‘And so on’ ?......... the article continues..............I only posted couple of paragraphs, which is why there is a link to the full article.

As there is no reward, only punishment, for being a member of the EU, why did governments, despite the expressed wishes of their peoples, join?

The answer is that Washington would have it no other way. The European founders of the EU are mythical creatures. Washington used politicians that Washington controlled to create the EU.

.......... and there are several more paragraphs to read to get the full picture.

With all due respects, it is you that did not read it correctly .......... and obviously did not read the whole article .......... which I think WAS well reasoned.

[Paul ZKTV]

i see no ships ...

http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-britai ... KKCN10C27J

Business | Mon Aug 1, 2016 12:41pm BST
Recession ahead in Britain? Factories slow, business confidence tumbles
LONDON | By Ana Nicolaci da Costa

British manufacturing shrank at its fastest pace in more than three years in July and business confidence tumbled following the Brexit vote, according to surveys that show an increased chance of a recession ahead.

The news will give more impetus for the Bank of England to cut interest rates this week.

Falling output and new orders pushed a closely watched index of factory purchasing managers to its lowest since February 2013, adding to signs that Britain's decision to leave the European Union is hurting the economy.

[Paul ZKTV]

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if you dont understand my train of thought ,then dont read it or ignore it ,
you post yourself within very narrow pattens of thought mostly that obtained from sources
within your comfort zone ...that up to you ...
but this once .... by stopping the communists controlling the building of bradwell B
then one of the most important markets for ´island england´ has been closed ,
as the chinos dont like it up em ...

[Paul ZKTV]

By the way, I don't think you read the article properly.

A good reason for the UK to leave the EU .........

Is Europe Doomed By Vassalage To Washington? - By Paul Craig Roberts



With few exceptions, principally the UK,

Well reasoned? It ends "and so on." What kind of reasoning is that?

The complete paragraph said .......... "With few exceptions, principally the UK, membership in the EU also meant loss of financial independence. As only the European Central Bank, an EU institution, can create Euros, those countries so foolish as to accept the euro as their currency no longer have the power to create their own money in order to finance budget deficits."

i.e. The UK did not lose its financial independence, imagine the problem we would have now if we were ALSO tied to the Euro ..... it would make exiting almost impossible!

‘And so on’ ?......... the article continues..............I only posted couple of paragraphs, which is why there is a link to the full article.

As there is no reward, only punishment, for being a member of the EU, why did governments, despite the expressed wishes of their peoples, join?

The answer is that Washington would have it no other way. The European founders of the EU are mythical creatures. Washington used politicians that Washington controlled to create the EU.

.......... and there are several more paragraphs to read to get the full picture.

With all due respects, it is you that did not read it correctly .......... and obviously did not read the whole article .......... which I think WAS well reasoned.

is there a world record for quotes within quotes ...just by resposting the same total rubbish dont make it true ...

[Robin Hood]

...........is there a world record for quotes within quotes ...just by resposting the same total rubbish dont make it true .

I wasn’t talking to you Dumbo!

If you can't understand a post ........ then don't comment, you only make yourself look even more illiterate. Your intelligence level and command of English grammar is below Junior school expectations ..... so, how on earth did you ever manage to get a degree?

[Tim Drayton]

...........is there a world record for quotes within quotes ...just by resposting the same total rubbish dont make it true .

I wasn’t talking to you Dumbo!

If you can't understand a post ........ then don't comment, you only make yourself look even more illiterate. Your intelligence level and command of English grammar is below Junior school expectations ..... so, how on earth did you ever manage to get a degree?

And you accuse Paul of being rude, and worse!

[Robin Hood]

...........is there a world record for quotes within quotes ...just by resposting the same total rubbish dont make it true .

I wasn’t talking to you Dumbo!

If you can't understand a post ........ then don't comment, you only make yourself look even more illiterate. Your intelligence level and command of English grammar is below Junior school expectations ..... so, how on earth did you ever manage to get a degree?

And you accuse Paul of being rude, and worse!

Tell me one thing I posted above, about this racist, anti-British Dumbo, that is not true? Instead of trying to make me look the villain maybe an acknowledgement that my comments to you in the original post, that he decided he would answer on your behalf, are also valid.

Your quote was a deliberate and convenient misunderstanding and you did not read the article?