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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:37 am

Monday, February 15, 2016
Maronites want villages under Greek Cypriot control after a solution
http://cyprus-mail.com/2016/02/15/maron ... -solution/


Cyprus is an Ethnos, it is neither "Greek"(read: not "Turkish), or "Turkish". Cyprus is Bicommunal because as People, we see ourselves as Individuals, and as Persons. A Cypriot State must exist. Cypriot Constituencies may exist (two have been identified), of the set, only one has the intention (so far) to represent themselves as electors so that their taxes are closer to their efforts toward sustaining their unique identity, as Persons. But Cyprus does exist, Cypriots exist, as Cypriots, even if the overwhelming majority are Greek, they are connected to a world that speaks English.

...something to think about. Especially since the world's Ethnosphere is shrinking more rapidly than our Ecosphere. And as stewards of this island's Heritance, we have responsibilities which go beyond such Modern roots as "Turkishness", or "Greekness", in fact the crossroad to three Continents, and a History which dates back much further, our strength has always been, as facilitators of exchange.

Maronite, the Arabic they speak is one of Cyprus' Official Languages. Correct me if I am wrong; although it would be nice if in Cyprus, Institutionally, we can make our Languages transparent, easy to translate, to and from each other because extended to other languages, new frontiers open to us, too.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:35 am

Thursday, December 04, 2014
Re: Arrested For Flying Flags of the Republic
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus42052-40.html#p801126


...thank-you bill.

these two Cypriots are heroes, in my mind. all Cypriots should be more like them.

here is where the compulsion to call the Flag of Cyprus, "Greek", may stop, because it is neither "Greek", or "Turkish". here are two people who state the obvious, they are as Persons, Turkish Cypriots indeed, they are Cypriots above all, as Individuals, not "Turkish"; what is wrong with that? if there is Justice to be seen, this fact will be clear, Cyprus exists, Cypriots exist, we are not appendages to the land like property, we are not here to serve the mythic reality of one regime against another, we are here on this island as its stewards, and as Human beings, we have this Freedom to express our loving nature, toward it. as it is, a dismissal of the charges is more likely, yet i imagine that the regime will not have the good sense to drop the issue, (as the Judge should have, the second or the third time around,) they don't have the will to defend Individual Rights, or to see their constituency as anything more than Persons, it will be delayed, again.

...thank-you, Koray Basdogrultmaci and Cinel Senem Husseyin, courage.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:49 am

Tuesday, August 04, 2020
Facing Turkey’s provocative actions on Cyprus
http://www.parikiaki.com/2020/08/facing ... -on-cyprus


AKEL's only hope in saving Cyprus, and Cypriots, from "Turkish" and/or Turkey's subjugation is only possible if its Leadership has the support of all Cypriots. What can be more clear after having elected an MEP as such?

There are Cypriots in the occupied territories no doubt.

...who has the courage to stand up to "Turkishness"? Cypriots?

If there were a candidate who had the foresight to stand under the Flag of Cyprus, in the next elections coming in October, its significance would not be lost. (What is a BBF?) And if such a Leader won, having rallied Cypriots together as Cypriots, having spoken to them as Cypriots, having exposed those more "Greek" and "Turkish", such a Leader as a negotiator for Cypriots is far more credible, when sitting across from another Cypriot (perhaps) speaking for Constituencies as Persons, but also as an Individual, and a State.

...Turkey will not negotiate with "Greeks". Greek Cypriots will not negotiate with "Cypriot Turks", which Turkey supports against them. Turkey will not negotiate with Cyprus; under these conditions. But, if Erdogan is true to his word, he will negotiate with Cypriots; he will in fact have no choice, with Cypriots as Cypriots representing themselves.

...Cypriots, not Cyprus, are the power against Turkey's provocative actions, and it is Turkish Cypriots at the vanguard who need this help, (in the coming referendum\election) from (Greek) Cypriots, this time around.

Who but the People can solve the Problem?
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby Murataga » Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:39 pm

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JustCypriot wrote:Lets talk about Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism). "Cyprus for Cypriots!" and these kind of patriotic stuff.

What do you think about it? Can it be the only realistic solution for Cyprus problem?


Cyprus for Cypriots most definitely. But this doesn't mean that Cyprus shouldn't be part of something greater if the Cypriots themselves democratically choose to. It is an oxymoron to suggest that "Cyprus for Cypriots" is achieved by prohibiting from Cypriots the right to democratically choose what to do with Cyprus.


You can not democratically choose to eliminate the basic rights or hand over the sovereignty of others. Particularly when you claim to be a Cypriot and at the same time pledge allegiance to Greece with the flag you wave, the anthem you sing and the curriculum which you educate your children.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:15 pm

Monday, February 13, 2017
Conceptual change in military thinking required for Cyprus breakthrough
http://cyprus-mail.com/2017/02/12/conce ... akthrough/


I have said it before, and I will say it again:

...a Cyprus divided, is a Turkey divided.

The Problem, the Cyprus Problem, is Turkey's Problem. In effect, the Problem's solution must be "perfect". Without such a solution, there is no template, something held in such high esteem, that it is emulated. Such as it is, in Cyprus, to solve their issues, for fifty years, Turkey has sought to define "Turkishness", by exclusion of the rest (read: "Greeks"); this failed, with its culmination, when the Annan plan was rejected. And while there are "Greeks" in Cyprus, against "Turks", in Cyprus, the "Kurds" and the "Alevi" continue to grow uneasy in Turkey as well...

Respect, Trust, Recognition, are words that come to mind; that while Cyprus and Turkey have been adversaries for so long, they have proved themselves to be equals better suited working as equals together, and not against each other. What is true for Cyprus, is true for Turkey. What is true for Cypriots, is true for Turks. If we are to be divided, "our" side, the "others", the debate is flawed as it is, because the enemy is Ignorance (our own); there are those who are Loving, and there are those who are not. In any case, none of these "identities" are monolithic, "minorities" as such exist in them, there is no getting around that either, "security-wise".

(at some point "they" must identify themselves as "some", in a larger "one")

I have Faith in Mankind. I count on the "standing man". In their silence volumes of words for Erdogan's Turkey to hear, that "Turks" are not Turks, when even this voice is silenced.

Indeed, a change of intentions is needed. The recognition that as Nations the world has become so small, States exist; that beside "being" Persons, as Individuals, (Lest we Forget,) we must be willing to defend each other, without discrimination or distinction, and for the Universal Principals on which such thinking is based.

Such a BBF is possible; in Cyprus and in Turkey. Erdogan, by saying, "One Cyprus, One Turkey", may demonstrate this courage to the world, but more importantly, for him, to his constituency, and to the People of Turkey. If Turkey is not "Turkish", Cyprus is not "Greek", in a counter-intuitive kind of way, this makes sense. He may choose to make it so. If there is a "Greek Constituency", in Cyprus, among a set of Cypriot Constituencies, a set of Turkish Constituencies, in Turkey, is not so hard to perceive.

Recognition of Cyprus, a Cyprus that is an ally, is power; but first Erdogan must exhaust the possibilities he has for a Legacy, beyond the Treaty of Lausanne, in a "new Turkey". Cyprus, as Turkey's National issue, has been kept alive as an issue for moments like these. I am hoping that he has the will to leave a Turkey whole and stronger. With Cyprus, ("his", or not,) he has this possibility.

...an excellently prepared opinion Mr. Riza; thank-you. We failed ourselves as Cypriots, allowing ourselves to be divided. This is true. Being divided is unnatural, this has been demonstrated. We are, not "Greek", and not "Turkish", as Cypriots, the other half. A "new Cyprus" is not the needed remedy therefore, but a Cyprus reformed, because Cypriots exist, still, despite the efforts for so long, of those, "Greek", and those, "Turkish", in their denial of them. It is a 'new Enosis' that is needed, for security: beyond the EU, beyond the historical antithesis, despite "it", Cypriots united toward a Cypriot way.

For our security, as Cypriots, "being" Cypriot first, counts a lot more, Cyprus being an island after-all.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:22 pm

Murataga wrote:
Sotos wrote:
JustCypriot wrote:Lets talk about Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism). "Cyprus for Cypriots!" and these kind of patriotic stuff.

What do you think about it? Can it be the only realistic solution for Cyprus problem?


Cyprus for Cypriots most definitely. But this doesn't mean that Cyprus shouldn't be part of something greater if the Cypriots themselves democratically choose to. It is an oxymoron to suggest that "Cyprus for Cypriots" is achieved by prohibiting from Cypriots the right to democratically choose what to do with Cyprus.


You can not democratically choose to eliminate the basic rights or hand over the sovereignty of others. Particularly when you claim to be a Cypriot and at the same time pledge allegiance to Greece with the flag you wave, the anthem you sing and the curriculum which you educate your children.


...indeed it goes both ways, but for the Cypriot who waves no "Turkish", or "Greek" Flag.

And you Murataga, would you stand under the Flag of Cyprus, in the occupied territories, as a sign of unity with other Cypriots, exposing those who will not, as Cypriots if called upon to do so in the coming elections?
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby Cap » Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:03 pm

no
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:34 pm

Freedom for Cyprus.

...i hope in the coming elections October, that i will be standing with this man under the Flag of Cyprus in the occupied territories expressing my solidarity as a Cypriot with other Cypriots, perhaps thousands, for a candidate who has the courage to declare they are no "Turk", but Turkish, and Cypriot.

How would that look on the front page, Cypriots as Cypriots gathered, for this Identity around their Flag?

Indeed, the power is the People. Cyprus' MEP proves this. AKEL may have acted boldly, fielding a Turkish Cypriot candidate, and winning, yet it is not enough. Given the existential question being asked in these elections, every Citizen who believes in a Cypriot identity should be standing in that crowd. AKEL and DISY have a lot to think about when it comes to Constituencies, who in Principal do they represent? Truly, what are they for?

i ask...

...who treats the Flag of Cyprus as a rag?

Are we "Greeks" are we "Turks"; who are we if we are not Cypriots?

https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/08/12/insi ... g-cypriot/
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:35 pm

Cap wrote:no


why?
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:50 pm

Adam Koulle Zygi ⚓ 17 hours ago
why cross over ? there's casinos in Limassol and such


repulsewarrior a few seconds from now
...a good question. Certainly not to patronize the establishments of "Turks", that would be a betrayal, actually to anyone else, not "Turk".

...no, the good reason to cross over is to patronize the establishments owned by Cypriots, Turkish Cypriots who like Greek Cypriots, want "Turks" to leave, or at least appreciate that Cypriots exist.


https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/08/12/ozer ... 5029064737
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