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[repulsewarrior]

I thought it appropriate to open this topic, given how important it will become to Cyprus if it unfolds as expected.

...is God, the Allah that Erdogan prays to, greater than the God that is one? He seems to think so, and we shall see.

I am hopeful. Instead of the "Turks", I think Erdogan will turn to the Turks, and the rest of the world for his salvation, and for a Legacy that will be lasting.

If he decides to continue on his path as it is, "death to America" from his lips, i think will not provide him the results he expects; he will find the hoards who follow him not so grand; Daesh and their ilk do not have the following imagined, Pakistan may follow, but to their ultimate ruin.

...what else can he do if his Turkey cannot pay the debts they owe; it will be worse than Greece's demise.

It is a united Cyprus that will unite Turkey. The distraction of war in the Mediterranean sea will be Turkey's ruin.

[miltiades]

A couple of months back I predicted that Turkey's days in NATO are numbered. With Erdogan's latest outburst and warning that Turkey may look for new allies, it seems that leaving NATO might well be a safe bet.

[Jerry]

There's lots of rumours about the US leaving Incirlik air base.
https://www.google.com/search?client=sa ... 01&bih=659

And the British keep trying to reduce expenditure on defence; back in the 1960s they considered leaving the bases in Cyprus but were persuaded by US to keep them.
With the permission of the Government of the ROC the Americans could acquire a sovereign base in Cyprus that the British no longer want or can afford - the price would be Turkey out of Cyprus. Interesting times.

[Zenon33]

A couple of months back I predicted that Turkey's days in NATO are numbered. With Erdogan's latest outburst and warning that Turkey may look for new allies, it seems that leaving NATO might well be a safe bet.

I hope so too.

[Get Real!]

A couple of months back I predicted that Turkey's days in NATO are numbered. With Erdogan's latest outburst and warning that Turkey may look for new allies, it seems that leaving NATO might well be a safe bet.

I hope so too.

America cannot even bring itself to condemn the Armenian genocide, can’t even bring itself to denounce Erdogan’s mass atrocities against Turkish citizens both Kurdish and otherwise, can’t even condemn Turkey’s illegal actions against Cyprus… the list of American intransigence goes on and on.

In fact the US even turns a blind eye whenever Turkey attacks Israel verbally and that alone says a lot!

To sum it up…Turkey wants Gullen and the US wants some preacher back so they’ll probably just end up swapping. I doubt NATO will come into this…

If NATO is to disband or reshape itself it won’t be over some preacher in Turkish custody.

[Paphitis]

A couple of months back I predicted that Turkey's days in NATO are numbered. With Erdogan's latest outburst and warning that Turkey may look for new allies, it seems that leaving NATO might well be a safe bet.

I hope so too.

America cannot even bring itself to condemn the Armenian genocide, can’t even bring itself to denounce Erdogan’s mass atrocities against Turkish citizens both Kurdish and otherwise, can’t even condemn Turkey’s illegal actions against Cyprus… the list of American intransigence goes on and on.

In fact the US even turns a blind eye whenever Turkey attacks Israel verbally and that alone says a lot!

To sum it up…Turkey wants Gullen and the US wants some preacher back so they’ll probably just end up swapping. I doubt NATO will come into this…

If NATO is to disband or reshape itself it won’t be over some preacher in Turkish custody.

That's not how it works. America will not be swapping when they know that Gullen will not be treated fairly or have his HR respected. That is something the Americans can't do. All hell would break loose if the Americans decided to swap someone over to the Turkish "judicial system" and violate Gullen's HR.The American legal system will not allow willful transgressions against this person's civil liberties, rights and presumption of innocence or against the Bill of Rights which enshrines all these obligations in black and white.

The preacher is probably held by Turkey as some form of bait for the Americans to hand over Gullen, But the Americans won't hand him over. Their legal system will not allow it. It's the same with the Greek Soldier who is being held by Turkey because he allegedly wandered over the border in Thrace. They are bait for the Turkish coupist Officers that now have asylum in Greece. Greece, like America, can not horse trade these Turks for the Greek Soldier knowing full well what will happen to these Turkish Coupists in Turkish custody. Which is very bad news for the Greek soldier.

It's also bad news for the preacher, but America will make Turkey pay in other ways. Such as, the transfer of F-35 fighters. The Americans can pull the pin. Australia and Israel want a military embargo against Turkey. America can withdraw from Incirlik too. There are so many bases all over the Middle east which the Americans can use, so the importance of Incirlik is over stated. The Americans also have 2 Aircraft carriers in the region and some Wasps as well.

Also, America has been critical of Turkey on all the things you have mentioned, including Cyprus. They have just decided to be very diplomatic about it and to try and get Turkey to see reason, but patience is or may have already run out.

America doesn't need Turkey. Trump was harping on about the 2% GDP ratio for Defence which most countries are violating. So they are not afraid to have a whinge.

In addition, the game is elsewhere for both America and Russia - both want to contain China. Russians absolutely hate the Chinese.

[repulsewarrior]

...i am still waiting for a civil servant to be thrown in jail, accused of treason for using an i-phone.