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Re: INVESTMENTS

Postby Pyrpolizer » Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:14 pm

cyprusgrump wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Paphitis you are jumping and twisting as usual. What's your point trying to present me irrelevant or fallacious data ??
The issue is very simple and you already wasted me more than 20 pages trying to save face:
For the last time, this is what you said


It is what he does all the time... he will literally argue black is white ad infinitum.... :roll:

Meanwhile he posts...

Paphitis wrote:I'm not that vain but I made some life style changes some time ago as follows:


He is the most vain, self-centred person I have ever encountered on the Internet! :lol: :lol: :lol:


True, unless you ignore him he may exhaust you with never ending discussions diverting the issue to a million directions :lol:
Unfortunately most persons with whom you could have a meaningful discussion left, so the only option for the moment is Paphitis the
half brainer. :lol:
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Re: INVESTMENTS

Postby cyprusgrump » Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:26 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Paphitis you are jumping and twisting as usual. What's your point trying to present me irrelevant or fallacious data ??
The issue is very simple and you already wasted me more than 20 pages trying to save face:
For the last time, this is what you said


It is what he does all the time... he will literally argue black is white ad infinitum.... :roll:

Meanwhile he posts...

Paphitis wrote:I'm not that vain but I made some life style changes some time ago as follows:


He is the most vain, self-centred person I have ever encountered on the Internet! :lol: :lol: :lol:


True, unless you ignore him he may exhaust you with never ending discussions diverting the issue to a million directions :lol:
Unfortunately most persons with whom you could have a meaningful discussion left, so the only option for the moment is Paphitis the
half brainer. :lol:



Indeed... :roll:

For somebody that is so important and busy fighting sharks and stuff, not to mention fighting off the trolley dollies because of his amazing physique...

...for somebody so busy and important he spends a hell of a lot of time posting shite on the Interwebz.... :lol:
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Re: INVESTMENTS

Postby Pyrpolizer » Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:57 pm

cyprusgrump wrote:
Indeed... :roll:

For somebody that is so important and busy fighting sharks and stuff, not to mention fighting off the trolley dollies because of his amazing physique...

...for somebody so busy and important he spends a hell of a lot of time posting shite on the Interwebz.... :lol:


He's generally an OK guy for internet talk, I mean he never really got me angry.
On the other hand we have a say here in Cyprus which goes like "ακουε πολλα, πιστευε λιγα" roughly translating to "hear a lot - believe a little"
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Re: INVESTMENTS

Postby cyprusgrump » Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:00 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Indeed... :roll:

For somebody that is so important and busy fighting sharks and stuff, not to mention fighting off the trolley dollies because of his amazing physique...

...for somebody so busy and important he spends a hell of a lot of time posting shite on the Interwebz.... :lol:


He's generally an OK guy for internet talk, I mean he never really got me angry.
On the other hand we have a say here in Cyprus which goes like "ακουε πολλα, πιστευε λιγα" roughly translating to "hear a lot - believe a little"


Yes, I was always a little sceptical about his posts...

...but after debating with him over the diving thing it is more like, "hear a lot, believe nothing whatsoever".... :lol:
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Re: INVESTMENTS

Postby Paphitis » Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:14 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Paphitis wrote:I retrieved the IPO prospectus to find out the number of shares in circulation. Now whether they were offered at 17.50 Euros or 0.20 is not a big deal, but the ammount of shares are because from that we can determine the market capitalization.

Yopu claimed that there were 120 million shares at 60 Euros, but in actual fact there were only 26 million shares.

I accept on looking at it further that Tom Tom listed at about $17 per share as per the IPO. They only issued 26 million shares though.

The information is right here:

http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/ ... o_2005.pdf

https://www.historicalstockprice.com/to ... ck-prices/

https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/s ... trycode=nl


No thanks I am not interested for a Kolokasi brain's soup.
ALL your links are irrelevant.The traded volume has nothing to do with the outstanding shares.
You have 24 hours left.


Oh right, so what you are saying is this:

Tom Tom was not worth 120 million x 60 euros = 7.2 Billion Euros (Tom Tom has never been a mid cap)

It was worth 26 million x 60 Euros = 1.6 Billion (Tom Tom has always been a small cap)

Yes I get it because what you said wads wrong. the market NEVER over prices a stock by a factor of 10 (those were your words kolokasi brains)

The market has the ability of actually appraising stocks in accordance with the fundamental values that the market is willing to pay.


Paphitis you are jumping and twisting as usual. What's your point trying to present me irrelevant or fallacious data ??
The issue is very simple and you already wasted me more than 20 pages trying to save face:
For the last time, this is what you said

Paphitis wrote: The traded value of a share "should translate to the approximate real value of the entire company"


I never gave you any number of what this company's worth.
What I told you is your statement is utterly wrong because if it were true then at boom time it should have worth 7.2 Billion Euros (yes you got that multiplication right) whereas with today's 30B shares it would be about 2.1. The first number is impossible to be true for various reasons including the fact that it should increase over the years considering the various acquisitions.
Your second number of 1.6B is totally fallacious so no comments about that.
Please make sure you understood that I am not claiming any specific value for this company. (I feel the need to stress this otherwise after a few days you may once again put words in my mouth that I never said.)

And since we are here show me where did I say that "the market over prices a stock by a factor of 10" Kolokasi_brain of the 50s. I gave you my exact words together with a link but you are such a bonehead you missed it.
The ball's on you now. Show me!


Me save face? You're kidding right.

The stock markets have been trading with Billions of investors around the world since the 19th century and yet you purport that all of these investors are gamblers.

If the market was so crooked, it wouldn't be so successful. Each year, the markets get bigger and stronger and add wealth to most people who know how to invest responsibly. There are millions of brokers and fund managers who make a good living by advising and managing trillions worth of funds each year on behalf of others and these people get more wealthy each year on average by about 12%

You claimed that Tom Tom had a market value of 120 million shares by 60 Euros, but the fact is it was only a spike and the amount of shares were only 26 million in 2006. You insinuated that Tom Tom's market cap reached 7.2 Billion when it only declares a 35 million Euro profit that year. That is impossible.

I asked you to prove your statements but all you come up with is insults.

I have backed up my statements with evidence straight from the company's 2005 prospectus:

26 million shares on offer at a value of 17.5 Euros, which eventually spiked to 60 Euros because the IPO was over subscribed.
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Re: INVESTMENTS

Postby Paphitis » Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:16 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Paphitis you are jumping and twisting as usual. What's your point trying to present me irrelevant or fallacious data ??
The issue is very simple and you already wasted me more than 20 pages trying to save face:
For the last time, this is what you said


It is what he does all the time... he will literally argue black is white ad infinitum.... :roll:

Meanwhile he posts...

Paphitis wrote:I'm not that vain but I made some life style changes some time ago as follows:


He is the most vain, self-centred person I have ever encountered on the Internet! :lol: :lol: :lol:


True, unless you ignore him he may exhaust you with never ending discussions diverting the issue to a million directions :lol:
Unfortunately most persons with whom you could have a meaningful discussion left, so the only option for the moment is Paphitis the
half brainer. :lol:


More like you will exhaust me because I won't be here to go round and round in circles.

I am waiting for you to post evidence like I did.
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Re: INVESTMENTS

Postby Paphitis » Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:25 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Indeed... :roll:

For somebody that is so important and busy fighting sharks and stuff, not to mention fighting off the trolley dollies because of his amazing physique...

...for somebody so busy and important he spends a hell of a lot of time posting shite on the Interwebz.... :lol:


He's generally an OK guy for internet talk, I mean he never really got me angry.
On the other hand we have a say here in Cyprus which goes like "ακουε πολλα, πιστευε λιγα" roughly translating to "hear a lot - believe a little"


Just like the argument I had with Cyprusgrump about a CM that publish information that was technically incorrect.

I ask questions and I know that there are many falsehoods in the media being passed on to the general public as fact.

However, the market isn't one of them. Maybe it was in Cyprus but it certainly isn't the case in the EU, North America, Asia and Australia.

The market is an investment stream. A very valid investment stream which generally adds wealth to people who conservatively invest in it in a structure manner. The numbers and figures do not lie.

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This doesn't look like gambling to me. Millions of people around the globe are in Pension Funds which invest in these very markets and they have been doing this since the depression.

You can see all the corrections, the biggest of which was 2008 between the periods 1928 and 2018. But the market always recovers.
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Re: INVESTMENTS

Postby Paphitis » Thu Nov 22, 2018 2:56 am

cyprusgrump wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Paphitis you are jumping and twisting as usual. What's your point trying to present me irrelevant or fallacious data ??
The issue is very simple and you already wasted me more than 20 pages trying to save face:
For the last time, this is what you said


It is what he does all the time... he will literally argue black is white ad infinitum.... :roll:

Meanwhile he posts...

Paphitis wrote:I'm not that vain but I made some life style changes some time ago as follows:


He is the most vain, self-centred person I have ever encountered on the Internet! :lol: :lol: :lol:


It's called banter and it was in response to Get Real's assertion that I was a stripper in a past life which was him just cracking a joke.

There is nothing vain about being proud of ones achievements especially when it requires a lot of willpower, discipline and hard work either.

I am a very fit person right now, and that is cause for a lot of celebration as far as I am concerned.

You always take things out of context which is really a deplorable thing. @ days ago you said that I beat off all the "trolley dolleys" with a stick.

Firstly, I am a very respectful person and respect most people's profession. I do not scoff at people earning a living. I do not ridicule a serious profession with sexist and belittling remarks. In addition, I never claimed to be beating "trolley dolleys" off with a stick. I do not sleaze onto them or behave in a bad manner towards them. I do not ask them out or flirt with them either. I am a married man, and I respect other people.
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Re: INVESTMENTS

Postby miltiades » Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:09 am

The difference with trading either as a long term investor or as a speculator and gambling is crystal clear. If you put your money on red and black comes up you have lost the lot, on the other hand playing the market you can minimize your loses by selling. The markets have made a lot of money for the knowledgeable and well disciplined investors/ speculators.
Only those who have never played the markets would consider it as gambling.
It is speculating based on research intuition and above all recognizing a stock that is undervalued or one that has potential to grow, such as RIPPLE XRP.
i have asked before the two or three ....experts to recommend a stock to no avail. Im now watching, I mentioned before, Galapagos. A bio company with new products soon to be revealed, rheumatism affects millions of people the world over, just wait untill this ...magic pill is released.
By the way, it closed yesterday at €87.52.
Keep an eye out on this .....pile of shit !!!
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Re: INVESTMENTS

Postby Paphitis » Thu Nov 22, 2018 4:12 am

miltiades wrote:The difference with trading either as a long term investor or as a speculator and gambling is crystal clear. If you put your money on red and black comes up you have lost the lot, on the other hand playing the market you can minimize your loses by selling. The markets have made a lot of money for the knowledgeable and well disciplined investors/ speculators.
Only those who have never played the markets would consider it as gambling.
It is speculating based on research intuition and above all recognizing a stock that is undervalued or one that has potential to grow, such as RIPPLE XRP.
i have asked before the two or three ....experts to recommend a stock to no avail. Im now watching, I mentioned before, Galapagos. A bio company with new products soon to be revealed, rheumatism affects millions of people the world over, just wait untill this ...magic pill is released.
By the way, it closed yesterday at €87.52.
Keep an eye out on this .....pile of shit !!!


Ripple held firm too at $0.447511 USD
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