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[Pyrpolizer]

Also for those who think the Army is something great that turns the boys into men, you guys have no idea what you are talking about.
Think of ISIS. That's an army. Killing, raping,destroying doing all sorts of atrocities that's what ALL armies around the world are for.
You get in a normal person you get out half crazy. It's doesn't even matter what rank you are.
There are only a few exceptions e.g. the commandos and those serving in the air force but even for those I wouldn't hold my breath.

NB. Is it a coincidence that all those who fail in their lives, end up in the army?

[kurupetos]

Also for those who think the Army is something great that turns the boys into men, you guys have no idea what you are talking about.
Think of ISIS. That's an army. Killing, raping,destroying doing all sorts of atrocities that's what ALL armies around the world are for.
You get in a normal person you get out half crazy. It's doesn't even matter what rank you are.
There are only a few exceptions e.g. the commandos and those serving in the air force but even for those I wouldn't hold my breath.

NB. Is it a coincidence that all those who fail in their lives, end up in the army?

Spare us the toilet talk. Army service is compulsory for the obvious reasons. If you cannot understand this, you are a fucking traitor.

Anyone refusing to serve his/her country should be deprived of the Cypriot citizenship and bugger off from Cyprus forever!

[Pyrpolizer]

Also for those who think the Army is something great that turns the boys into men, you guys have no idea what you are talking about.
Think of ISIS. That's an army. Killing, raping,destroying doing all sorts of atrocities that's what ALL armies around the world are for.
You get in a normal person you get out half crazy. It's doesn't even matter what rank you are.
There are only a few exceptions e.g. the commandos and those serving in the air force but even for those I wouldn't hold my breath.

NB. Is it a coincidence that all those who fail in their lives, end up in the army?

Spare us the toilet talk. Army service is compulsory for the obvious reasons. If you cannot understand this, you are a fucking traitor.

Anyone refusing to serve his/her country should be deprived of the Cypriot citizenship and bugger off from Cyprus forever!

Are you trying to become a serious debater Kurupet? Good!
Problem is you have a looong way to go.
Start from training your comprehension skills.

[kurupetos]

Also for those who think the Army is something great that turns the boys into men, you guys have no idea what you are talking about.
Think of ISIS. That's an army. Killing, raping,destroying doing all sorts of atrocities that's what ALL armies around the world are for.
You get in a normal person you get out half crazy. It's doesn't even matter what rank you are.
There are only a few exceptions e.g. the commandos and those serving in the air force but even for those I wouldn't hold my breath.

NB. Is it a coincidence that all those who fail in their lives, end up in the army?

Spare us the toilet talk. Army service is compulsory for the obvious reasons. If you cannot understand this, you are a fucking traitor.

Anyone refusing to serve his/her country should be deprived of the Cypriot citizenship and bugger off from Cyprus forever!

Are you trying to become a serious debater Kurupet? Good!
Problem is you have a looong way to go.
Start from training your comprehension skills.

Remove the carrot from your ass before we start.

[Lookiman]

You are talking about responsibility ,what country have to me in order from me to protect the country?
School my parents paid for it,literally government didn’t give me anything ,which is similar to my health or life which I can lose in army ,I believe if you are an adult in 18 you should be an adult ,if you can’t go casino ,but you should go army ,shouldn’t ,adulthood be at the age of 21? For instance imagine 1 year ago person turned 18 and free for everything ,and this year casino is opening ,and new prohibitions are coming ,it is the same unfair as you for example at the age of 30 drive your car and new stupid law ,which bans you for it for next 5 years ? If there is a law ,it should not infringe your rights ,if you already turned an adult

[Get Real!]

You are talking about responsibility ,what country have to me in order from me to protect the country?
School my parents paid for it,literally government didn’t give me anything ,which is similar to my health or life which I can lose in army ,I believe if you are an adult in 18 you should be an adult ,if you can’t go casino ,but you should go army ,shouldn’t ,adulthood be at the age of 21? For instance imagine 1 year ago person turned 18 and free for everything ,and this year casino is opening ,and new prohibitions are coming ,it is the same unfair as you for example at the age of 30 drive your car and new stupid law ,which bans you for it for next 5 years ? If there is a law ,it should not infringe your rights ,if you already turned an adult

The country is the PACKAGE that contains our people and our culture. If we lose it we lose everything within it… our music, our dances, our cuisine, our football teams, our friends, our loved ones… and every other little thing we do which sets us apart from others.

Those of us who understand this don’t complain about the military service and just do it.

As for an 18 year old going to a casino… you’re not missing out on anything special so don’t worry too much. The 3 years will pass very quickly and eventually you’ll go and see for yourself that it’s nothing special and certainly not worth losing any sleep over.

You’ll have plenty of decades to waste your money on casinos so don’t be in such a hurry to try all the wrong things of life!

[Paphitis]

You are talking about responsibility ,what country have to me in order from me to protect the country?
School my parents paid for it,literally government didn’t give me anything ,which is similar to my health or life which I can lose in army ,I believe if you are an adult in 18 you should be an adult ,if you can’t go casino ,but you should go army ,shouldn’t ,adulthood be at the age of 21? For instance imagine 1 year ago person turned 18 and free for everything ,and this year casino is opening ,and new prohibitions are coming ,it is the same unfair as you for example at the age of 30 drive your car and new stupid law ,which bans you for it for next 5 years ? If there is a law ,it should not infringe your rights ,if you already turned an adult

This is your problem! You have a sense of entitlement and believe the world and Nation owes you something - that they must contribute to your education and health.

They don’t owe you anything.

However, each individual does have a debt to society. This of course is necessary in order to have or nurture a community. And each person must be selfless in order to have a community. If every individual had your thinking then there is no community, and no caring for your fellow human. It would be a very cold and sad world.

One more thing, your English and communication skills are very poor. Not what I would expect of someone earning over 100K Euros per annum.

The army will do you some good. You have a very bad attitude for life in general, and whilst the Army isn’t some kind of kindergarten or responsible for nurturing people like you into mature adults, it will do you some good. The Army is a serious institution.

Have you ever wondered why employers prefer ex military people? It’s because they are highly adaptable and work well under pressure and are more likely to display many highly desirable attributes.

This isn’t about you and whether you are of drinking age or can gamble at casinos. Just from your limited conversation, I believe you don’t have what it takes because your example (Casinos) is highly immature. Like someone saying they can’t get into a nightclub and therefore shouldn’t be required to serve in the Army.

Have you ever thought of claiming to be of unfit mind? This might work for you. You will get out of any obligations, and you will also spare The Cyprus National Guard too! Your can the spend more time inside the casino, but this will have a price on your life as well and rightfully so.

And no I do not follow or necessarily believe that 18 year olds should necessarily be allowed to do everything. At the age of 18, you are still a maturing person. You still have a lot of growing to do.

In the USA, an 18 year old can serve and die for their country but can’t drink till the age of 21. I actually agree with this law. I am fully supportive of raising the drinking age to 21. It would do a lot of Cypriot Boys some good, along with the Army.

In Australia, you can start flying planes 1 year before driving a car. I am ok with that and I will tell you why. Flying a plane is a highly controlled environment and instructors are very experienced people. Learning to drive a car is done with a parent which isn’t as controlled or as regulated and hence is more of an unsafe activity than flying a plane is.

You need to have more faith in the law makers. Every law has its reason, and you are not smarter than them or in any way more logical. In the USA, drinking age is 21. Is it a stupid law? No it isn’t because alcohol and 18 year olds sometimes don’t mix because 18 year olds are more likely to get behind the wheel of a car and kill themselves or worse still, wipe out other innocent road users.

The Army, like flying a plane, is a highly controlled environment too.

[Paphitis]

Also for those who think the Army is something great that turns the boys into men, you guys have no idea what you are talking about.
Think of ISIS. That's an army. Killing, raping,destroying doing all sorts of atrocities that's what ALL armies around the world are for.
You get in a normal person you get out half crazy. It's doesn't even matter what rank you are.
There are only a few exceptions e.g. the commandos and those serving in the air force but even for those I wouldn't hold my breath.

NB. Is it a coincidence that all those who fail in their lives, end up in the army?

What you are saying is completely false!

The Cyprus National Guard and other military armed services of other countries (UK, USA, Australia and so many more) have absolutely zero correlation with ISIS as they are not terrorist organisations and nor is their purpose to kill, and terrorise civilians.

No one is going to join a military to kill and terrorise people and contribute in an unjust way. Generally, people want to be part of something bigger, and to contribute to their country and have an impact that helps other people, not destroy or occupy them or treat them badly. Violations against the Geneva Convention is something that will not be tolerated by our military establishments or Governments!

Joining a military is to serve and protect, not kill. Occasionally, it only becomes necessary to kill in order to serve and protect, but those occasions are rare in the most part. So the general rule is not to kill or destroy but to serve and protect. And to that end, you can be called upon to also serve and protect and save lives in disaster relief zones. The military has the resources to help people in need in many different ways.

And military personnel are not “failures” either. The selection processes are thorough and exhausting. And usually, ex military people go on and have excellent careers afterwards and are usually in demand unless you have PTSD due to serving in a combat zone such as in Afghanistan - which we can probably do better in helping people like that but probably fall short.

[kurupetos]

You are talking about responsibility ,what country have to me in order from me to protect the country?
School my parents paid for it,literally government didn’t give me anything ,which is similar to my health or life which I can lose in army ,I believe if you are an adult in 18 you should be an adult ,if you can’t go casino ,but you should go army ,shouldn’t ,adulthood be at the age of 21? For instance imagine 1 year ago person turned 18 and free for everything ,and this year casino is opening ,and new prohibitions are coming ,it is the same unfair as you for example at the age of 30 drive your car and new stupid law ,which bans you for it for next 5 years ? If there is a law ,it should not infringe your rights ,if you already turned an adult

Democracy is not stupid; only people voting for the wrong politicians.

[Pyrpolizer]

Also for those who think the Army is something great that turns the boys into men, you guys have no idea what you are talking about.
Think of ISIS. That's an army. Killing, raping,destroying doing all sorts of atrocities that's what ALL armies around the world are for.
You get in a normal person you get out half crazy. It's doesn't even matter what rank you are.
There are only a few exceptions e.g. the commandos and those serving in the air force but even for those I wouldn't hold my breath.

NB. Is it a coincidence that all those who fail in their lives, end up in the army?

What you are saying is completely false!

Says the person who only knows about the military from watching parades and youtube videos

The Cyprus National Guard and other military armed services of other countries (UK, USA, Australia and so many more) have absolutely zero correlation with ISIS as they are not terrorist organisations and nor is their purpose to kill, and terrorise civilians.


Nonsense! All armies are exactly identical to ISIS when they get control. Should I start numbering you historical facts/evidence?

No one is going to join a military to kill and terrorise people and contribute in an unjust way. Generally, people want to be part of something bigger, and to contribute to their country and have an impact that helps other people, not destroy or occupy them or treat them badly. Violations against the Geneva Convention is something that will not be tolerated by our military establishments or Governments!

Oh the Geneva Convention! Sure! When the Anatolian Turk will tie you on the bed raping your wife or sister feel free to shout about the Geneva Convention

Joining a military is to serve and protect, not kill. Occasionally, it only becomes necessary to kill in order to serve and protect, but those occasions are rare in the most part. So the general rule is not to kill or destroy but to serve and protect. And to that end, you can be called upon to also serve and protect and save lives in disaster relief zones. The military has the resources to help people in need in many different ways.

I already said why there's a need to serve in the army. It's a necessary evil. Please spare me the bullshit, that the military is some sort of an ethics establishment/environment.

And military personnel are not “failures” either. The selection processes are thorough and exhausting. And usually, ex military people go on and have excellent careers afterwards and are usually in demand unless you have PTSD due to serving in a combat zone such as in Afghanistan - which we can probably do better in helping people like that but probably fall short.

Really?!! You have no idea what you are talking about.The selection process is only thorough in special forces as e.g Air force pilots. For the rest anything goes. The first female career militant women in Cyprus were all known whores or lesbians.Later on it changed but still the vast majority are those who can't make it outside.Same as the vast majority of career Military men. I have not met a single one who ever made it outside. Let aside been preferred at a job just because he was an ex militant. These things only happen in holy rosy countries like Australia where everybody is a mama's boy. ... but not here, and certainly not in any other country where people know first hand of what the army is, by having served themselves..