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[Pyrpolizer]

Yews its fuck all because about 98% f those were people of Cypriot background. And many of those go yearly too, so the same people.

Cyprus isn't known as a popular destination for the Australian mainstream.

Again guesswork is easy.
There are about 50K Cypriots living in Australia.
Don't try to convince me they visit Cyprus once every 2 years.
We live here and we do have relatives in Australia. Most of them never visit, or just visit once.

[Paphitis]

Yews its fuck all because about 98% f those were people of Cypriot background. And many of those go yearly too, so the same people.

Cyprus isn't known as a popular destination for the Australian mainstream.

Again guesswork is easy.
There are about 50K Cypriots living in Australia.
Don't try to convince me they visit Cyprus once every 2 years.
We live here and we do have relatives in Australia. Most of them never visit, or just visit once.

It's not guesswork, it's common sense.

The only Aussies I have ever met in Cyprus is the Australian Ambassador himself, and a Federal Policeman that works in Cyprus as part of a UN Deployment.

You just don't get the Smith's and Jones' families holidaying in Cyprus because Cyprus doesn't offer anything unique for them. They don't care about your sun, antiquities, Trrodhos, or Agia Napa. In Australia we have more sun, and a better climate, better white sandy beaches, and as for Agia Napa, have you ever been to Sydney or Gold Coast?

Most of those "Australian" travelers are because of the Cypriot Diaspora. It is very cheap for Aussies to travel to Europe, and there is a lot of competition. About 15 million Aussies travel international every year.

Hundreds of thousands travel to Greece and Turkey, because these are markets that APPEAL to the Aussie market. Both these countries offer a lot.

Troodhos, Agia Napa, and Nissi Beach might cut it for the average Brit, or Swede, but it doesn't cut the mustard for the Aussie Market. Sorry!

About 500,000 Aussies travel to Galipoli each year and they usually take in the Greek Islands as well. When I was in Santorini last, there were Australian weddings occurring on the Caldera at out hotel. Santorini is becoming Austyralia's Las Vegas, for eloping.

At any given time, there are 1 million Aussies in London. You will easily bump into Australians every day in places like Turkey, Greece, Italy, France, Germany, Spain, and in UK well you could probably think London is an Australian city sometimes. You will see many kids with backpacks sporting the Australian Flag or detect the distinct Australian accent.

I remember walking with my wife down the Dubai Mall. It was Ramadan and everything was closed. I was hungry and said something to my wife. An Aussie passer by recognized my Aussie Accent, and came up to me and said:

"mate, round the corner is a nice French Restaurant. It has the black drapes at the front so no one can see. Knock on the door and they will let you in"

So we went to this French Restaurant and ate.

[Pyrpolizer]

For Paphitis the Guesswork MASTER.

According to this link
https://www.budgetdirect.com.au/travel- ... stics.html

9,118,000 Australian Outbond trips including
5,115,000 Australians went on holidays abroad (56%)
4,728,000 of the outbond trips were to Fuji-Japan-China-Thailand-UK-USA-Indonesia and New Zealand.
Assuming the ratio of holidays to Outbond trips is about the same (56%) then
2,865,000 Australians spent their holidays in Fuji-Japan-China-Thailand-UK-USA-Indonesia and New Zealand.

The remaining 2,250,000 spent their holidays in Europe (?)

Cyprus is 1/300 of Europe: Thus we should get 7,500 Aussie tourists last year.
How many did we get?

Three times as many

And this concludes the introduction to Paphitis' Guesswork Master thesis, which is overall graded with a straight ⅎ

[Pyrpolizer]

Again from Paphitis Guesswork.
15 million Aussies go on holidays. The truth: 5 million.
500,000 go to Gallipoli. The truth?? I don't know however the UK which is one of the top Aussi destinations gets only 543,000.
At any time there are 1 million Aussies in London: The truth 543,000 in a whole year.

Neeext ®

[Paphitis]

For Paphitis the Guesswork MASTER.

According to this link
https://www.budgetdirect.com.au/travel- ... stics.html

9,118,000 Australian Outbond trips including
5,115,000 Australians went on holidays abroad (56%)
4,728,000 of the outbond trips were to Fuji-Japan-China-Thailand-UK-USA-Indonesia and New Zealand.
Assuming the ratio of holidays to Outbond trips is about the same (56%) then
2,865,000 Australians spent their holidays in Fuji-Japan-China-Thailand-UK-USA-Indonesia and New Zealand.

The remaining 2,250,000 spent their holidays in Europe (?)

Cyprus is 1/300 of Europe: Thus we should get 7,500 Aussie tourists last year.
How many did we get?

Three times as many

And this concludes the introduction to Paphitis' Guesswork Master thesis, which is overall graded with a straight ⅎ

And now for the real stats from official Government Sources.

Australians embarked on 61 million domestic airfares in 2017. Mate I work in the Aviation Industry, and the airspace between Australian Eastern Seaboard States is some of the busiest airspace in the world. This is at 4am EST and look at all the A380 coming into Sydney. https://www.flightradar24.com/-29.67,130.98/5



Some go on multiple trips. Not uncommon for some Aussies to travel up to 5 times per week.

I average 1 per week right now myself or about 45 per year.

And a total of 41 million International Passenger movements in 2018.

https://bitre.gov.au/statistics/aviatio ... ional.aspx

And you didn't get 7500 Aussie tourists. You only get some Cypriot Expats or people of Cypriot Background. You tell me when you met any Aussie tourists in Cyprus apart from some Cypriot Expats. Australians would not waste their money on Cyprus because there is fuck all to see and do. Why go to Cyprus when everything Cyprus has is in abundance in Australia and better?

Oh and btw, there are a lot more than 2 million that go to Europe. There are 1 million in London alone right now.



Point is, you can manipulate statistics anyway you want to. When you leave Australia, they ask you, what is the purpose of your trip as you are departing the country. It's a standard question. Most people say, "to visit relatives"

In my case, when I travel to Europe, the Australians authorities only see a United Arab Emirates VISA. No VISA for Cyprus or Greece because I use a different passport they don't know about. Well they probably do know, and I would tell them if they ask. Happy to surrender it too if they want me to.

Secondly, you said that 10 million Aussies go on International trips. Do you understand that this is 40% of the Australian population. Since when did 150 million Americans go Overseas, or 400,000 Cypriots go overseas? Maybe in your dreams.

Europe is a very popular destination.

Did you know there are approximated 60 A380 direct flights by QANTAS alone to the UK? In fact Heathrow is a major Hub. Do you know how much it costs? About $1100 one way, or 1450 return.

[Pyrpolizer]

Domestic flights are irrelevant.
International movement is more relevant however it includes both arrivals and departures for all sorts of reasons. For example here in Cyprus we have about 10 million/year. 10 times our population.
Just in January which is an off season we got 423,000
https://www.hermesairports.com/corporat ... er-traffic

Your figure of 39M is nothing unusual for a country of 25M population.
But you can never reach our 10X factor!

From the same link I gave you before you get 8M tourists and you go on holidays abroad by about 5M.
Just face it. You are not an attractive tourist destination. We get 2 million tourists per year and you get only 8 despite been 400 times our size.
You get a fraction of the tourists of Turkey or Greece, or France..

[Paphitis]

Domestic flights are irrelevant.
International movement is more relevant however it includes both arrivals and departures for all sorts of reasons. For example here in Cyprus we have about 10 million/year. 10 times our population.
Just in January which is an off season we got 423,000
https://www.hermesairports.com/corporat ... er-traffic

Your figure of 39M is nothing unusual for a country of 25M population.
But you can never reach our 10X factor!

From the same link I gave you before you get 8M tourists and you go on holidays abroad by about 5M.
Just face it. You are not an attractive tourist destination. We get 2 million tourists per year and you get only 8 despite been 400 times our size.
You get a fraction of the tourists of Turkey or Greece, or France..

Yeh International movements are relevant. About 10 million Aussies travel each year. Every year more and more are traveling and the 2 biggest destinations are in fact UK and USA. Los Angeles is another QANTAS hub. China only rates because Australians like to travel to Hong Kong. It's very popular as is Japan.

It's probably 12 million this year. That's about 47% of the population. Nearly 1 in 2. This is every year mind you. I have hardly met an Aussie that has not been overseas. I am sure there are, but they are rare. Just about every Aussie has also been to the USA and Europe. I would say at least 80% of Aussies have visited Europe and USA at least once. So, Aussies are the most traveled people on the planet. We know this to be true. Try comparing that with Cypriots.

This despite the remoteness. You can't exactly drive across a border like people in Denmark and Switzerland can. A 3 hour drive takes you across international borders in Europe.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/cou ... -most.html

Now how many outbound trips do you do each year?

Where I disagree is your statistics with regard to Europe. There is a lot of Australian travel throughout the Middle East and Europe.

Especially to places like the US and other destinations like Greece, Turkey, and Italy. Hundreds of thousands are going to these destinations.

Here is an article from a Turkish source that states Australians are the biggest spenders in Turkey after Russians.

https://www.dailysabah.com/tourism/2018 ... rs-in-2017

And here is another Turkish source that states there were more than 1 million Australian tourists to Tutrkey in 2018. Why? Maybe Galipoli.

Now how many of these went to Greece?

https://neoskosmos.com/en/33771/greece- ... stination/

Hardly none are going to Cyprus apart from a few expats.

Now tell me how many AUSTRALIANS you have met in Cyprus, and why the hell would they be motivated to visit that shit hole?

BTW, you do not know whether 5 million go on holidays. That is what they say when they leave. And apparently, seeing a relative does not classify as going on holidays. And the other 5 million go international for work or business. yeh right. 10 million are going overseas each year. And I would say that is at least 11 million in 2019 the way things are going.

Do you know our population or are you pretending to be STUPID?

And another thing, domestic travel in Australia is significant especially when a flight from Perth to Sydney is equivalent to a flight from Larnaca to London in terms of distance and cost.

You on the other hand can get on a turboprop and be in Israel about 30 minutes later. And you still don't travel. That's pretty pathetic!

[Pyrpolizer]

Listen Paphitis you are not going to suffocate me with your endless essays.
I gave you links with numbers. Read them and digest them and stop asking questions about numbers that are already in my links
Also stop playing dumb by telling me "and here is another Turkish source that states there were more than 1 million Australian tourists to Tutrkey in 2018. Why? Maybe Galipoli." WITHOUT providing the link.Where the hell is the link?

Yeah maybe 1 million in your dreams.

The actual number was 96,488. For a country that is 80 times bigger than Cyprus. We got 22,197 Aussies. Read the links and weep.
http://www.kultur.gov.tr/EN-153018/numb ... d-ci-.html
(download the file Number of Arriving-Departing Foreingners and Citizens,December 2018 and look at the C.Nationality tab that has cumulative results for 2018)

[Pyrpolizer]

Poor Turks. They get more tourists from Slovakia than they get from Australia!
Paphiti I am still waiting for your 1 million Aussie tourists in Turkey link!!
Your guesswork is over mate. You already got a big straight ⅎ

Aussies In turkey 2018.PNG

[Paphitis]

Listen Paphitis you are not going to suffocate me with your endless essays.
I gave you links with numbers. Read them and digest them and stop asking questions about numbers that are already in my links
Also stop playing dumb by telling me "and here is another Turkish source that states there were more than 1 million Australian tourists to Tutrkey in 2018. Why? Maybe Galipoli." WITHOUT providing the link.Where the hell is the link?

Yeah maybe 1 million in your dreams.

The actual number was 96,488. For a country that is 80 times bigger than Cyprus. We got 22,197 Aussies. Read the links and weep.
http://www.kultur.gov.tr/EN-153018/numb ... d-ci-.html
(download the file Number of Arriving-Departing Foreingners and Citizens,December 2018 and look at the C.Nationality tab that has cumulative results for 2018)

OK that is significant, but my point to you is THIS.

I am providing a direct comparison between Cyprus and Turkey and Cyprus and Greece.

Turkey, provides Australian tourists with an experience they seek. it is an incredibly beautiful country and Istanbul is to die for. Aussies get something that is unique there. So they visit Turkey in large numbers.

Same with Greece. A Beautiful country that gives Aussies what they want or what they are looking for. So they visit the Greek islands, and the mainland in droves. Not only that, but there are Aussies with property in both Greece and Turkey and a lot even park yachts there.

Cyprus doesn't offer ANYTHING. Troodhos is no big deal. The Cyprus climate is no big deal. Agia Napa has zero attraction for Cyprus. This can only attract some Scandinavians, or Brits that crave the Cyprus sun. That is what you market, and it is something that does not attract Australian Tourists.

Why the fuck would an Aussie go to Agia Napa. We have the Gold Coast with 17 theme parks. The damn place is as playground. The beaches are better, and it is pretty. All of Australia is pretty. More pretty than Cyprus.

So Aussies prefer places like Istanbul, or Santorini/Mykonos. They go to Italy a lot. But the main destination is the UK.