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[MR-from-NG]

The EU said they will look at any new proposal BJ will offer. The EU also said they will not re negotiate the deal they have struck with May. So far the EU has maintained their position 100% since the agreement, so the ball is in BJ‘s court, especially when the British parliament does not support a no deal Brexit. BJ can declare anything all he wants in his first speech as a PM, but as the old famous UK tv commercial in the 70’s use to say, “where is the beef“?

AFAIUI, May wasn't "forced" by parliament to ask for an Article 50 time extension. She could have ignored it. She didn't because she didn't want to.

IMHO, it has always been the case that you will get no meaningful concession from the EU until it went to the wire. German manufacturing industry is teetering on the edge of recession and expecting a large increase in tariff rates from Trump. The UK is Germany's largest export market for cars (790,000 last year) increased tariffs from the UK at the same time would push both the car and manufacturing industries over the top. You are talking about hundreds of thousands of jobs. Macron has had problems with the gilets jaunes movement. At one point he had 5000 troops on the streets. This would pale into insignificance to what he could expect when the French fishing industry finds itself locked out of UK territorial waters and his farmers lose tariff free access to one of their biggest export markets. Likewise, Italian farmers, already buckling from EU imposed austerity measures, would be up in arms at the loss of UK markets. Ireland would lose an estimated 80,000 jobs and 5% of GDP, virtually overnight.

A no deal is never going to survive beyond the first implementation because Merkel, Macron, Matterella and Varadkar are not going to throw themselves off a cliff in the "principled" cause of Brussel's death cult centralists. It would simply be far too disastrous - for both sides. It ain't gonna happen. Ever.

Just my opinion.

People in the UK who can afford to buy German cars now, will go on buying German cars in the future, Brexit deal or no deal, don't you think?

Which is precisely what Brexiteers have been saying for the past three years!

Of course if it was just a case of buying German cars. Brexiteers are living in fantasy land. The country will be in ruins and if I'm wrong I will cut my dick off, turn it into dog food and feed it to stray dogs.

[cyprusgrump]

just a few myths from the brexiteers.
1. ghe germans will not allow the eu to interfere with their exports. wrong. each country or corporation cannot make such decision the whole of the eu has to. it just goes to show they have no logic. if germans could do such a deal by themselves we would not need to leave to be able make such deal with countries outside the eu.
2. the back stop can be removed if the eu wished. wrooooooong. back stop is to do with the good friday agreement. it is not just a matter of where to check the good, there cannot be checks so northern ireland has to be under the umbrella of the eu. hence if there is no deal the default is backstop in place. and of course if the border is open how ae they going to stop the europeans from coming into the uk. you just cannot make it up.

the dup knows this and the eu will not and cannot remove it and hence it will not go though parliament. since when has one country been able to pull out of an international agreement. of course there are fools here who claimed that the guarante cannot apply as terggy has negated the agreement by her actions in 1974. and yet anastasiades is asking for it to be removed.

so getting back to the back stop, if removed uk will find herself in court but as the courts take such a long time, there are worse consequences, ira is looking for an excuse to start bombing. and good luck to you with that one.

You make me laugh!

1. Germany runs and funds the EU. Nobody in Brussels is going to stop German exports to the UK.

2. The backstop is history - as is the boarder. It just isn't going to happen. Catch up.

[Londonrake]

People in the UK who can afford to buy German cars now, will go on buying German cars in the future, Brexit deal or no deal, don't you think?

Then obviously, people in Europe will continue to buy British stuff - deal or no deal. So, what's all the fuss about?

Actually though, no. There will be a massive drop in sales. Dat's wot it's all about.

The protectionist EU charges tariffs in order to stop those filthy, unwashed third world types from selling their food and goods to us at much lower prices than we actually need be paying. You can buy Azerbaijani sprockets for half the price of EU ones. Brussels slaps a tariff on them though in order to protect the Bulgarian sprocket industry (and of course they get quite a significant cut on the deal). They don't give a shit that your paying over the odds. And who cares anyway if African peasants starve, we have to protect our single market. And on and on.

[cyprusgrump]

The EU said they will look at any new proposal BJ will offer. The EU also said they will not re negotiate the deal they have struck with May. So far the EU has maintained their position 100% since the agreement, so the ball is in BJ‘s court, especially when the British parliament does not support a no deal Brexit. BJ can declare anything all he wants in his first speech as a PM, but as the old famous UK tv commercial in the 70’s use to say, “where is the beef“?

AFAIUI, May wasn't "forced" by parliament to ask for an Article 50 time extension. She could have ignored it. She didn't because she didn't want to.

IMHO, it has always been the case that you will get no meaningful concession from the EU until it went to the wire. German manufacturing industry is teetering on the edge of recession and expecting a large increase in tariff rates from Trump. The UK is Germany's largest export market for cars (790,000 last year) increased tariffs from the UK at the same time would push both the car and manufacturing industries over the top. You are talking about hundreds of thousands of jobs. Macron has had problems with the gilets jaunes movement. At one point he had 5000 troops on the streets. This would pale into insignificance to what he could expect when the French fishing industry finds itself locked out of UK territorial waters and his farmers lose tariff free access to one of their biggest export markets. Likewise, Italian farmers, already buckling from EU imposed austerity measures, would be up in arms at the loss of UK markets. Ireland would lose an estimated 80,000 jobs and 5% of GDP, virtually overnight.

A no deal is never going to survive beyond the first implementation because Merkel, Macron, Matterella and Varadkar are not going to throw themselves off a cliff in the "principled" cause of Brussel's death cult centralists. It would simply be far too disastrous - for both sides. It ain't gonna happen. Ever.

Just my opinion.

People in the UK who can afford to buy German cars now, will go on buying German cars in the future, Brexit deal or no deal, don't you think?

Which is precisely what Brexiteers have been saying for the past three years!

Of course if it was just a case of buying German cars. Brexiteers are living in fantasy land. The country will be in ruins and if I'm wrong I will cut my dick off, turn it into dog food and feed it to stray dogs.

I'll buy some dog food to feed the rest!

[miltiades]

Another first class Plonker has stated that after Brexit there will be HUGE economic advantages for the UK!!
Where do we get these Pockets from, I know, ....Clown cuckoo land !!

[cyprusgrump]

Another first class Plonker has stated that after Brexit there will be HUGE economic advantages for the UK!!
Where do we get these Pockets from, I know, ....Clown cuckoo land !!

Well, £13B each and every year* is not to be sneezed at is it...?

Ten years, £130B!

By 2050 that would be a minimum of Four Hundred Billion Pounds we haven't given away to the EU!

I would say that is a economic advantage of sorts...?












* Actually, it is more now as it increases with the UK's GDP - which is increasing faster than the EU27.

[MR-from-NG]

AFAIUI, May wasn't "forced" by parliament to ask for an Article 50 time extension. She could have ignored it. She didn't because she didn't want to.

IMHO, it has always been the case that you will get no meaningful concession from the EU until it went to the wire. German manufacturing industry is teetering on the edge of recession and expecting a large increase in tariff rates from Trump. The UK is Germany's largest export market for cars (790,000 last year) increased tariffs from the UK at the same time would push both the car and manufacturing industries over the top. You are talking about hundreds of thousands of jobs. Macron has had problems with the gilets jaunes movement. At one point he had 5000 troops on the streets. This would pale into insignificance to what he could expect when the French fishing industry finds itself locked out of UK territorial waters and his farmers lose tariff free access to one of their biggest export markets. Likewise, Italian farmers, already buckling from EU imposed austerity measures, would be up in arms at the loss of UK markets. Ireland would lose an estimated 80,000 jobs and 5% of GDP, virtually overnight.

A no deal is never going to survive beyond the first implementation because Merkel, Macron, Matterella and Varadkar are not going to throw themselves off a cliff in the "principled" cause of Brussel's death cult centralists. It would simply be far too disastrous - for both sides. It ain't gonna happen. Ever.

Just my opinion. [/quote]
People in the UK who can afford to buy German cars now, will go on buying German cars in the future, Brexit deal or no deal, don't you think?[/quote]

Which is precisely what Brexiteers have been saying for the past three years! [/quote]
Of course if it was just a case of buying German cars. Brexiteers are living in fantasy land. The country will be in ruins and if I'm wrong I will cut my dick off, turn it into dog food and feed it to stray dogs.[/quote]

I'll buy some dog food to feed the rest! [/quote]

[miltiades]

That means everyone is going to be .....better off !!! How is the pound in your pocket Plonker ?
Look can you not see that our currency has lost a lot since the referendum ? Do you not care that our buying power has diminished?
Anyone with an IQ higher than 10 can see what an economic disaster this will be. I suppose you do not meet the criteria !!
What a load of Plonkers !!

[cyprusgrump]

That means everyone is going to be .....better off !!! How is the pound in your pocket Plonker ?
Look can you not see that our currency has lost a lot since the referendum ? Do you not care that our buying power has diminished?
Anyone with an IQ higher than 10 can see what an economic disaster this will be. I suppose you do not meet the criteria !!
What a load of Plonkers !!

You can't see how Four Hundred Billion Pounds in the UK economy is going to be better than sending it to the EU can you?

Plus of course we'll hold on to the £39B if they don't offer us a deal...

So £439B better off just by saying 'bye' to the EU!

But you (with an IQ far superior to my own obviously), can only see as far as how many tins of Keo your UK pension will buy you today...

[cyprusgrump]

just a few myths from the brexiteers.
1. ghe germans will not allow the eu to interfere with their exports. wrong. each country or corporation cannot make such decision the whole of the eu has to. it just goes to show they have no logic. if germans could do such a deal by themselves we would not need to leave to be able make such deal with countries outside the eu.

GERMAN MANUFACTURING ‘FREE FALLS’ TO WORST LEVEL IN 7 YEARS

Yarp, I can't see the German manufacturing giants making a fuss so that the UK can continue to buy their cars, washing machines and dishwashers eh...?