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[repulsewarrior]

...indeed, i don't think it will go that far either. But ridiculous as it seems, it might.

What will Russia do, if the militarisation of the Med. includes not only Cyprus, where they are shut out? Would Cyprus be wiling to receive Patriot missiles, if the S-400s are installed, pointing at them? Who will fire the first shot when ENI returns with a drill ship, when Total, Kogas, and Exxon, resume their work? How these countries will react really depend on Erdogan, now that he has disturbed the balance of power, that for about one hundred years has left Turkey and the rest of the world, in effect at peace. Indeed, who will take the position for the Rule of Law, to defend it, against "Turkishness", against "this" Turkey?

...indeed, Putin is a businessman, he sells arms, and, resources. It was not that long ago that Europe and Russia were trading freely, and in a much friendlier atmosphere. What with Trumps opinions of Putin, and Russia's historical links to Europe and its values, it is hard to see how Putin would choose infamy with Erdogan, if the choice of fame may exist as well. As large as Turkey is, it is small, compared as a trading partner.

Erdogan believes, History can be made, and to his liking. What with so many (what is the plural of) crisis he is managing, internally, and externally, it seems natural that he seeks more, being of his own making. He is diminished, without the "National" furor. And in an instant he may change his intention of "Turkishness", for Turkey, the Turkish People, as Individuals, and Persons. Cyprus, the Problem, the solution plays a role in this. What is clear is, many issues are coming to a head, and the idea that there is a Hero in all of this is appealing to all of them.

[Londonrake]

Would Cyprus be wiling to receive Patriot missiles, if the S-400s are installed, pointing at them?

The S400 is an anti-aircraft missile system. What would the Turks be pointing them at?

I was here in the 90s when the ROC were purchasing S300s. Trust me - I'm anything but a fan of Erdogan and co but - when the Turks took exception to the idea of the ROC having a missile system that could sit on Troodos and shoot aircraft down over the Turkish mainland - to the point of threatening to go to war over it - Clerides decided that the likely reaction wasn't worth it and IIRC buried them on Crete. I clocked up a few hours overtime during that crisis.


TBH, I can't visualise any scenario where the ROC can effectively counter Turkey in a conventional war situation.

[Maximus]

Russia will not go to war with Europe and the US for Erdogan or Turkey.

Even in Syria, Turkish observation posts are being targeted and Putin is going to do nothing about it, despite turkeys protests. instead, he is supporting Assad and stringing erdogan along. Erdogan is Putin’s useful idiot.

It seems to me that The US is now looking for alternatives solutions to contain turkey. Hence this bill.

Despite Cyprus saying that they are not going on a US arms spending spree.What this bill does do, is allow the US to move their military equipment in to bolster the the area if or when it is needed.

Every one else is doing business by the book, but they have turkey and the tc acting like pirates.

It’s a Simple solution for turkey and the tc really, all they have to do is reverse the occupation and normalize relations with Cyprus. Then turkey would probably receive as much gas as she can carry. Or something to this effect.

Why does it have to be so combative and difficult.

[repulsewarrior]

...well said.

[Londonrake]

Erdogan is Putin’s useful idiot.

Well, there's no shortage of those!

[repulsewarrior]

Would Cyprus be wiling to receive Patriot missiles, if the S-400s are installed, pointing at them?

The S400 is an anti-aircraft missile system. What would the Turks be pointing them at?

...the sea, to protect "her" resources, supremacy over, (and under,) the sea.

...and according to one article i read, to protect himself from another (foreign) coup.

[Londonrake]

Would Cyprus be wiling to receive Patriot missiles, if the S-400s are installed, pointing at them?

The S400 is an anti-aircraft missile system. What would the Turks be pointing them at?

...the sea, to protect "her" resources, supremacy over, (and under,) the sea.

...and according to one article i read, to protect himself from another coup.

You’ve got me there. Whose aircraft over which sea would be targeted? An anti-aircraft missile system doesn’t have any undersea capability at all.

Also, I don’t think sophisticated, very long range SAMs are likely to have any applications in putting down a coup, either. Maybe tanks, guns, that sort of stuff might help.

[Maximus]

Endogan might think that the s400’s neutralize Egypt’s, Israel’s and Greece’s ( and the eu and the us) Air Force operating over the med.

Some low altitude cruise missiles could take it out though.

[Kikapu]

Endogan might think that the s400’s neutralize Egypt’s, Israel’s and Greece’s ( and the eu and the us) Air Force operating over the med.

Some low altitude cruise missiles could take it out though.

It may well neutralize some countries, but if Turkey’s S-400s should shoot down an American plane down, the S-400 missile sites will be leveled by cruise missiles launched from the American subs in the Mediterranean.

[Maximus]

Endogan might think that the s400’s neutralize Egypt’s, Israel’s and Greece’s ( and the eu and the us) Air Force operating over the med.

Some low altitude cruise missiles could take it out though.

It may well neutralize some countries, but if Turkey’s S-400s should shoot down an American plane down, the S-400 missile sites will be leveled by cruise missiles launched from the American subs in the Mediterranean.

I didn’t think one s400 battery would change much.

It’s not an integrated, multi SAM system.

I think it’s unrealistic for one battery to neutralize the air force of multiple countries with sophisticated capabilities of their own.