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The "one positive vote" is undemocratic and unacceptable

Postby Sotos » Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:01 am

The "one positive vote" equals veto power and it is not accepted as it is undemocratic. The UN resolutions specify only changes to the constitution requiring the agreement of both sides and it gives the option to add to that a few more things. At the same time it specifies that political equality does not mean numerical equality, something which the "one positive vote" essentially eliminates.

It is like saying that a party of 18% with a small number of MPs has the power to block any decision if all its MPs want to block it. And obviously 99% of the time the MPs of a party vote in the same way, so in essence that small party has veto powers, which is unacceptable.

But it is even worst than that. The TCs in the council of ministers will be appointed by those who have the power in the TC community, they will not be a representative sample of the whole TC community. So the correct analogy would be a 9% party with veto powers, not an 18% one. And if one of those ministers dares to vote differently he can be easily replaced with somebody else by the ruling TC party.

And if all that is not bad enough, it is even worst. With such agreement 10s of thousands of Turkish Settlers will be given Cyprus citizenship. So the majority of supporters of that 9% party, could actually be foreigners.

If there is anybody here who believes that GCs will ever accept such thing should have their heads checked. I don't know what Anastasides, the Annan plan Yes man will do, I hope he learned his lesson but I can't be sure. What I do know for sure is that such thing will never pass from the Cypriot people.
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Re: The "one positive vote" is undemocratic and unacceptable

Postby Maximus » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:19 am

This is a dictatorship in all but name. it is not a solution at all.

You wont solve this problem with the stark contrast in mentality,

I am becoming more and more convinced of it.

The two sides have to be separated.

Something that should have been done pre 1960 in my opinion.

everything post 1974 is Turkish anyway.
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Re: The "one positive vote" is undemocratic and unacceptable

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:30 pm

...thus if it is a squat of land the "Turks" want, it should be a lot less than 18%: i have suggested that 4.5% would be a more realistic demand.

...glad someone agrees.

..."they" should be willing to give up quite a bit to get what they want.
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Re: The "one positive vote" is undemocratic and unacceptable

Postby Maximus » Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:45 pm

They will end up with nothing RW.

Like their "portion" of Cyprus, their "portion" of the EEZ is now being gifted to Turkey.

whatever they demand, it is at Cyprus's and Cypriots expense.

Their allegiance is with Turkey. It's so obvious and in a few generations, they will be fully assimilated or "extinct".

The only thing that will remain is the Turkish Cypriot myth. Which Turkey will continue to use to perpetuate the argument and the Cyprus problem.
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Re: The "one positive vote" is undemocratic and unacceptable

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:34 am

...things may go too far, a lack of discipline, or a grey wolf unthinking, and a Cypriot who is Turkish can become a Hero to all Cypriots. The way things are it would not be so hard to imagine that Cypriots demonstrate for Cyprus, as Cypriots, and in affect against the "Greekness" and the "Turkishness" that is their bane.

...i don't despair.
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