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A SHORT LIVED RECOVERY ?

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Re: A SHORT LIVED RECOVERY ?

Postby Paphitis » Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:07 am

erolz66 wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Sorry but I have already done that but I am using data from 1960 to 2020.


Paphitis wrote:I challenge you to find an OECD economy that has outstripped Australian growth since 1988


Dickhead.

And for the record even if you change the period (again) to 1961-2018 using world bank data South Korea still comes out at 7.35%

Next.


Oh OK idiot!

You win then.

But you dig real deep didn't you.

Now piss off troll!

Australia still got the Eurozone by the goolies, so things are not very good in the EU at all.
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Re: A SHORT LIVED RECOVERY ?

Postby erolz66 » Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:16 am

Paphitis wrote:
erolz66 wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Sorry but I have already done that but I am using data from 1960 to 2020.


Paphitis wrote:I challenge you to find an OECD economy that has outstripped Australian growth since 1988


Dickhead.

And for the record even if you change the period (again) to 1961-2018 using world bank data South Korea still comes out at 7.35%

Next.


Oh OK idiot!

You win then.

But you dig real deep didn't you.

Now piss off troll!

Australia still got the Eurozone by the goolies, so things are not very good in the EU at all.


When you issued your challenge my first 'guess' was Ireland. It took less than 3 minutes to check and find out you were wrong. Hardly digging deep. For all I know there may be others but I was looking for just one, and found it first guess. When you then moved the goal posts to exclude Ireland and gave your list of acceptable countries my first guess was Singapore my 2nd was Korea and my third was NZ. Again hardly digging deep. Just guesses by someone who is not a total idiot. Took a about a minute to check each country. What did require 'digging deep', took real time and effort, was dealing with your ever more desperate attempts to try and squirm out of things and to read you interminably boring waffle attempts to distract from your BS claims.
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Re: A SHORT LIVED RECOVERY ?

Postby erolz66 » Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:22 am

So here is a report from people who actually know what they are talking about

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-globa ... KKBN21601N

Stocks, bonds, gold and commodities fell as the world struggles to contain coronavirus and investors and businesses scramble for hard cash.


and

In currencies, everything except the dollar and the euro collapsed. Sterling GBP= teetered near its lowest since at least 1985. The yen fell 1% to 109.16 per dollar.


Compare this reality with some of the dogma laden BS from the likes of Paphitis and CG.
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Re: A SHORT LIVED RECOVERY ?

Postby erolz66 » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:24 am

Over next weeks and months I predict a recovery of bitcoin. It's instant 24-7 , 7 days a week liquidity without 'circuit breakers' and closing of exchanges and the protection from central banks printing money in vast amounts will increasingly become understood by more and more people leading to price increase. imho
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Re: A SHORT LIVED RECOVERY ?

Postby miltiades » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:56 am

erolz66 wrote:So here is a report from people who actually know what they are talking about

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-globa ... KKBN21601N

Stocks, bonds, gold and commodities fell as the world struggles to contain coronavirus and investors and businesses scramble for hard cash.


and

In currencies, everything except the dollar and the euro collapsed. Sterling GBP= teetered near its lowest since at least 1985. The yen fell 1% to 109.16 per dollar.


Compare this reality with some of the dogma laden BS from the likes of Paphitis and CG.

The two ...Plonkers you mentioned are no doubt still considering Sterling as a ....safe bet. The idiots can not see that the pound due to BREXIT and tbe effect it will have on the UK economy will continue to slide even more. The General, he considers the EU as a ....Mafia organization, has a habit of having an opinion on everything and everyone, typical trait of a complete moron. As for the bucketman , well he is excused due to his permanent " sitting" on his one and only one brain cell. Over my long life I have met many idiots, this one tops the list.
By the way, this morning I withdrew some cash on my Barclays debit card. The rate ?
1.013 euros to the pound. !!!. The ...little money I have is in euros having converted a couple of months back but still have Stg coming to my account on my state and private pension.
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Re: A SHORT LIVED RECOVERY ?

Postby erolz66 » Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:38 pm

miltiades wrote:
erolz66 wrote:So here is a report from people who actually know what they are talking about

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-globa ... KKBN21601N

Stocks, bonds, gold and commodities fell as the world struggles to contain coronavirus and investors and businesses scramble for hard cash.


and

In currencies, everything except the dollar and the euro collapsed. Sterling GBP= teetered near its lowest since at least 1985. The yen fell 1% to 109.16 per dollar.


Compare this reality with some of the dogma laden BS from the likes of Paphitis and CG.

The two ...Plonkers you mentioned are no doubt still considering Sterling as a ....safe bet. The idiots can not see that the pound due to BREXIT and tbe effect it will have on the UK economy will continue to slide even more. The General, he considers the EU as a ....Mafia organization, has a habit of having an opinion on everything and everyone, typical trait of a complete moron. As for the bucketman , well he is excused due to his permanent " sitting" on his one and only one brain cell. Over my long life I have met many idiots, this one tops the list.
By the way, this morning I withdrew some cash on my Barclays debit card. The rate ?
1.013 euros to the pound. !!!. The ...little money I have is in euros having converted a couple of months back but still have Stg coming to my account on my state and private pension.


Milti I would have a look at getting a revolut card if you are fed up of being raped by traditional banks currency charges. I can for example change sterling to euros right now at rate of 1.0663. I can then use card to pay in euros or draw it out as cash (200 euro per month) with no charges if I use the right cash point machine. Has saved me a considerable amount.
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Re: A SHORT LIVED RECOVERY ?

Postby miltiades » Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:45 pm

I mostly use a euro card but use my Barclays to draw out my pension. Your right though I shall get a Revolute card .
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Re: A SHORT LIVED RECOVERY ?

Postby erolz66 » Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:49 pm

erolz66 wrote:Over next weeks and months I predict a recovery of bitcoin. It's instant 24-7 , 7 days a week liquidity without 'circuit breakers' and closing of exchanges and the protection from central banks printing money in vast amounts will increasingly become understood by more and more people leading to price increase. imho


Does look like bticoin is 'decoupling' from traditional markets today, having been pretty much in lock step with stock markets in previous week to 10 days or so.
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Re: A SHORT LIVED RECOVERY ?

Postby Kikapu » Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:07 pm

erolz66 wrote:
erolz66 wrote:Over next weeks and months I predict a recovery of bitcoin. It's instant 24-7 , 7 days a week liquidity without 'circuit breakers' and closing of exchanges and the protection from central banks printing money in vast amounts will increasingly become understood by more and more people leading to price increase. imho


Does look like bticoin is 'decoupling' from traditional markets today, having been pretty much in lock step with stock markets in previous week to 10 days or so.


I didn’t realize Bitcoin was in lockstep with the traditional market, Erol. In 2018 Bitcoin peaked at around 20,000 when the traditional market was still moving up at much slower rate, taking another 2 years to reach it’s peak in 2020, about a month ago. As the traditional market was reaching new highs up to a month ago, Bitcoin had lost 75% of it’s value from it’s peak 2 years ago. The graphs show that Bitcoin and the traditional markets in general has been moving in opposite directions historically, even if the histor isn’t that long..
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Re: A SHORT LIVED RECOVERY ?

Postby erolz66 » Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:10 pm

Kikapu wrote:
erolz66 wrote:
erolz66 wrote:Over next weeks and months I predict a recovery of bitcoin. It's instant 24-7 , 7 days a week liquidity without 'circuit breakers' and closing of exchanges and the protection from central banks printing money in vast amounts will increasingly become understood by more and more people leading to price increase. imho


Does look like bticoin is 'decoupling' from traditional markets today, having been pretty much in lock step with stock markets in previous week to 10 days or so.


I didn’t realize Bitcoin was in lockstep with the traditional market, Erol. In 2018 Bitcoin peaked at around 20,000 when the traditional market was still moving up at much slower rate, taking another 2 years to reach it’s peak in 2020, about a month ago. As the traditional market was reaching new highs up to a month ago, Bitcoin had lost 75% of it’s value from it’s peak 2 years ago. The graphs show that Bitcoin and the traditional markets in general has been moving in opposite directions historically, even if the histor isn’t that long..


No I mean it has been in lock step since the coronavirus outbreak. The big falls on dow and ftse and the like were mirrored by bitcoin in direction - degree was similar. When fed pumped money in the initial rise and then fall back was mirrored on both. Until today. Now its seems to be decoupling (again like it was pre CV outbreak).

My take on it is the first 'panic' reaction was basically everyone selling everything and turning it in to cash. Even traditional safe have assets like gold saw a degree of this. We are now moving in to a new phase. Now people who have turned assets in to cash are looking at the global trillion dollar plus 'printing new money' efforts from central banks around the world and are worried that this will erode the value of their cash holdings steadily over time. Bitcoin offers some degree of hedge against this in that volatile as it is as an asset class no one, central bank or otherwise, can just start printing more bitcoin as a political response to crisis. The supply of new coins is set in code, not in smoking rooms of 'experts'. It is a true and genuine global free market where by you can liquidate your bitcoin assets at any time, 24 /7 , 7 days a week. No 'circuit breakers', no market closing, be it for weekend or from political fiat. I think these attributes at this time have a 'uniqueness' that is attractive in these crazy times. Just my pwn personal 'guess'. I could be entirely wrong. I did 'buy the dip' , with modest amounts of cash, to add to my existing bitcoin holdings, when it dropped to the 5K USD range. So far this seems to be a not totally stupid move. Nor was it an easy decision. I was close to panic selling when the initial big drop (in lock with stock markets and other assets classes) was in full swing but managed to resist the temptation. Just. Time will tell how good or bad a call that was.
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