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Postby erolz66 » Tue May 05, 2020 9:19 pm

cyprusgrump wrote:You are the King of Straw Man arguments and bizarre obfuscation


And you saying such does not mean it has to be true. Of course you will ignore me, accuse me of the very things that you yourself do to much greater degrees and with greater frequency than me and just go back to your barraging of partisan links. This is what you do.
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby erolz66 » Tue May 05, 2020 9:26 pm

Tim do you recall the first time the ONS figures were mentioned here on this forum ? DO you recall by whom ? What argument was being presented when they were first mentioned ? The links to spectator articles making the point that it is in total death numbers where the 'effect' of the virus will be clearly seen (and them point out at that time that they were not showing there) ? Do you remember all that ?

If you do then can you honestly say there has been no moving from such arguments at all by many (not you) who originally made them once the ONS numbers started to show that something real and big was going on ?
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby erolz66 » Tue May 05, 2020 9:42 pm

Tim do you see no discrepancy between

Sweden has R number of .85 with 002% accuracy and its place on 'the chart' (or underlying hopkins numbers that chart is based on) currently ?

If you do see any discrepancy do you think the number that everyone says is unknowable is the likely 'wrong' one, or the hard numbers of how many people have tested positive ?
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby Get Real! » Tue May 05, 2020 10:10 pm

Just refreshing people's memories of when American scientists CONFESSED to the Coronavirus in 2015, back when bragging about modifying a bat-virus to now infect humans was considered "cool"...

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opin ... bate-34502

Detailed confessions just don't get any more damning than this!
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue May 05, 2020 10:23 pm

...thanks Tim. I am listening to the interview right now.

...vaccines are not safe, and just like antibiotics, misused, they are dangerous. Let's not forget Polio, it is gone as a threat, because of the vaccine. But, do we need to continue vaccinating for Polio without the health crisis that made it a crisis? Indeed the corruption that led to a landscape for Big Pharma to act without legal or market forces, as a consequence of making drugs unsafe, exists, in vaccines (among other drugs).

...where is the CDC, sacked? If it is or was a Pharma stooge since 1989, finding the source of disease since then has not been stellar. The explosion of chronic diseases, as a result is no coincidence; it is as though "the devil has been unleashed".

...lobbying (and advertising) being BigPharma's biggest expense(s), is the problem. The third leading cause of death in the US, is the drugs they take as remedies for illness.

...eg. Rupert Murdoch is also involved in big ways both in Media, and Vaccines.

...is it possible that the virus already has a vaccine? Without proper testing for these vaccines, first to the post has for them an extraordinary advantage, if the panic itself is designed.

...lies on lies, fake news is not part of a Media "gestalt", it is like the "memes" which just seem true, (i.e.30,000 flu deaths, or 95,000 a year; actually untrue) which pass un-referenced as truth.

...big-difference between "anti-vaccine", and wanting good science. It puts the role of the doctor in question, the sacred relationship between Doctor and Patient, now Agent of the State.

...as a matter of fact, improved hygiene, nutrition, and clean water, have done far more to eradicate disease, than medicines.

...keep your pecker up Tim; never mind the bollocks, cheers.

(got to go now, my wife is yelling at me.)
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed May 06, 2020 9:05 am

erolz66 wrote:...

Imagine the argument that Brexit happened because it was in Big Pharmas interests for to happen. They were behind fooling the stupid public into voting for Brexit. Then you might get some notion of what I am trying to say here.


This is taking the invention of straw man arguments onto a whole new dimension. There are various hypotheses among aware people as to what agenda lurks behind the current perception management operation being conducted to blow the current pandemic out of all proportion and turn it into a bogeyman to scare people into submission, but one likely agenda is that forced vaccination with a hastily prepared agent that has not gone through proper testing procedures is going to be imposed on the world, and I can easily see how this is in big pharma's interests. Bill Gates is known for his obsession with forcing vaccinations on people to the extent of ignoring the host of other factors that contribute to good health such as sanitation, good housing, a healthy diet and lifestyle, exercise, exposure to sunlight, and sadly he has the wealth and power to force his agenda through with not infrequent tragic consequences, such as the shameful event chronicled below:

'One Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation (BMGF)-funded programme is currently the subject of a court case in India, with accusations that a vaccine “demonstration project” has caused deaths and illnesses.252 Beginning in 2009, some 23,500 girls aged 9-15 were administered with vaccines to prevent cervical cancer in Khammam district of Andhra Pradesh and Vadodara district of Gujarat. The vaccines were Gardasil and Cervarix, the former manufactured and donated by Merck, the latter by GlaxoSmithKline, and were administered under the supervision of state health officials. The NGO implementing the project was the US-based PATH (Program for Appropriate Technology in Health), which receives numerous grants from the BMGF (for more detail see p. 21). Its purpose in conducting the trials was to generate evidence to support the inclusion of the vaccines in India’s national immunisation programme.253Several months after the vaccines were administered, many girls started falling ill and by 2010 five of them died in Andhra Pradesh and two died in Gujarat.254Petitioners who are now challenging these two trials at the Indian Supreme Court claim that at least 1,200 girls in the two states have suffered from serious side effects or have developed auto-immune disorders and who need continuing medical treatment.255 The cause of the deaths has, however, been disputed by Dr. V.M. Katoch, director general of the Indian Council of Medical Research, who stated that four deaths in Andhra Pradesh were not due to the vaccine but due to poisoning, drowning and other causes, while the two deaths in Gujarat were attributed to malaria and snake bite.256In 2013, an investigation by a Parliamentary standing committee into the project delivered a damning conclusion. It alleged that the vaccine campaign was in practice a large-scale clinical trial conducted on behalf of the pharmaceutical firms and disguised as an “observational study” to bypass statutory requirements.257 The Parliamentary committee stated:

“It is established that PATH by carrying out the clinical trials for HPV vaccines in Andhra Pradesh and Gujarat under the pretext of observation/demonstration project [sic] violated all laws and regulations laid down for clinical trials by the government. While doing so, its sole aim has been to promote the commercial interests of HPV vaccine manufacturers who would have reaped windfall profits had PATH been successful in getting the HPV vaccine included in the UIP’ (India’s immunisation programme)”. 258'

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https://www.globaljustice.org.uk/sites/ ... ersion.pdf
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby Paphitis » Wed May 06, 2020 3:28 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:
Paphitis wrote:A very interesting documentary. Thrilling viewing...



thanks Paph; easy to see: as well as Chinese, "Chinese" exist, too.

...worth watching.


Sorry but you are way off the track.

This individual mentioned in your article, was in collaboration with The Chinese Institute of Virology. He has traveled and worked in Wuhan on some Chy-nese projects related to SARS and other Corona Virus strains from bats.

It's all right here...

And this is why there are theories that the virus started in a lab in Chy-na. The reports are yet to be confirmed and surely an investigation is well warranted.

There is also another Australian Scientist from Melbourne who has worked with the same Scientist mentioned in the article and also with dozens of Chy-nese Scientists from the Wuhan Institute of Virology. According to both of them, they have no recollection or knowledge that they were working on anything nefarious as a BIO Weapon but they just might not have been privy to the real intent of the Chy-nese Government.

See from 24 minutes onwards how Baric was in a collaboration effort with The Wuhan Institute of Virology.

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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby Robin Hood » Wed May 06, 2020 3:32 pm

And it seems that things are getting even more complicated .............

https://www.rt.com/news/487849-coronavirus-mutating-contagious-strain/

..... maybe this is what the 'hackers ..... probably' from Russia, China and Iran' found out? :roll: :wink:
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Re: Still no confirmed Corona cases in Cyprus, but for how l

Postby CrookedRiverGuy » Wed May 06, 2020 3:44 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:'One Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation (BMGF)-funded programme is currently the subject of a court case in India, with accusations that a vaccine “demonstration project” has caused deaths and illnesses.


Really?


https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bill-gates-india-sued/

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