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[Pyrpolizer]

...there is absolute randomness in the universe. If there was a designer he wouldn't create trillions of useless rocky planets...
Question is can randomness create something as complex as life? The answer is yes. Conditions just happened to be right, for this to happen through a series of random chemistry. Look at the similarity of all animals, one head, 2 eyes, one mouth, 2 ears, 4 legs etc. They all originate from the same micro-organism.

I’ve already tested randomness (via programming) and it doesn’t produce anything worth looking at even!

I posted a dedicated thread on randomness years ago with all my experiments and you probably missed it.

As a result of it, I’m completely satisfied that randomness cannot produce anything that even remotely looks good let alone have any functions!

That's because you did not set the conditions. The conditions on earth were already set, once again by pure chance over trillions of other useless planets.What happened on earth was something like a+b=c. After trillions upon trillions of c failing to survive there came one c that divided in 2 and survived.That was the beginning of life.

Who says I didn’t set some conditions? There are broad conditions that have to be set but if you go too deep in setting everything then it’s no longer random but DESIGNER!

I edited my previous post with more details and an example.You replied before I finalized it. If your conditions included the possibility of c finding a way to split in 2 c to survive your HD would now be full of c. Where's the design? It's just a possibility over trillions of possibilities actually happening.

[Get Real!]

...there is absolute randomness in the universe. If there was a designer he wouldn't create trillions of useless rocky planets...
Question is can randomness create something as complex as life? The answer is yes. Conditions just happened to be right, for this to happen through a series of random chemistry. Look at the similarity of all animals, one head, 2 eyes, one mouth, 2 ears, 4 legs etc. They all originate from the same micro-organism.

I’ve already tested randomness (via programming) and it doesn’t produce anything worth looking at even!

I posted a dedicated thread on randomness years ago with all my experiments and you probably missed it.

As a result of it, I’m completely satisfied that randomness cannot produce anything that even remotely looks good let alone have any functions!

That's because you did not set the conditions. The conditions on earth were already set, once again by pure chance over trillions of other useless planets.What happened on earth was something like a+b=c. After trillions upon trillions of c failing to survive there came one c that divided in 2 and survived.That was the beginning of life.

Who says I didn’t set some conditions? There are broad conditions that have to be set but if you go too deep in setting everything then it’s no longer random but DESIGNER!

I edited my previous post with more details and an example.You replied before I finalized it. If your conditions included the possibility of c finding a way to split in 2 c to survive your HD would now be full of c. Where's the design? It's just a possibility over trillions of possibilities actually happening.

Here’s a simple randomness experiment anyone can perform at home…

Get an empty shoe box and toss 10 or 15 match sticks in it so they randomly form a shape.

Keep repeating the experiment until the fallen matches form something that is beautiful and meaningful… you’ll be doing it for centuries with no positive result!

That *is* randomness Pyro!

[Get Real!]

How come the tossed matchsticks never form anything worth looking at?

How come you need to put your hand in there and rearrange them before something pretty is formed?

Because they need a designer!

Without a designer nothing beautiful can be formed… it’s always chaos!

[Lordo]

Now this is very interesting. Here is a salamander who evolved to have eyes and then moved into a cave and evovled the eyes out as they were not needed.

[Get Real!]

Now this is very interesting. Here is a salamander who evolved to have eyes and then moved into a cave and evovled the eyes out as they were not needed.

That’s a made up fairytale. Nobody was there to see the salamander’s alleged changes… they’re only assumed.

[Pyrpolizer]

Here’s a simple randomness experiment anyone can perform at home…

Get an empty shoe box and toss 10 or 15 match sticks in it so they randomly form a shape.

Keep repeating the experiment until the fallen matches form something that is beautiful and meaningful… you’ll be doing it for centuries with no positive result!

That *is* randomness Pyro!

It is randomness without the right conditions.
You should let the conditions be self created through randomness as well.
So let's create a random condition: All matches slightly bent.. Some matches bent.. some matches very thin... some matches what have you.. some matches damp . Oops we just had one random condition that might work. Damp matches have the property of sticking together. After a zillion of trials you will end up to a shape.

Btw like I said before this is just in line with my conviction that God relates to randomness among other things. God for me is inconceivable. You created a God that is conceivable as the ultimate designer. Yet look around you in the Universe. There's absolute failure in design. all meaningless purposeless rocky planets, trillions of them...

[Get Real!]

It is randomness without the right conditions.
You should let the conditions be self created through randomness as well.
So let's create a random condition: All matches slightly bent.. Some matches bent.. some matches very thin... some matches what have you.. some matches damp . Oops we just had one random condition that might work. Damp matches have the property of sticking together. After a zillion of trials you will end up to a shape.

Even the extra conditions you added will not lead to the formation of interesting shapes so you’ll have to add more and more conditions, and before you know it you will have killed the randomness with your design because too many conditions lead to a design.

At least you've acknowledged that you need lots of conditions to eventually form something beautiful!

Btw like I said before this is just in line with my conviction that God relates to randomness among other things. God for me is inconceivable. You created a God that is conceivable as the ultimate designer. Yet look around you in the Universe. There's absolute failure in design. all meaningless purposeless rocky planets, trillions of them...

I wouldn’t call all planets “rocky planets”, for starters we haven’t seen enough to judge, only the handful closest to us and they do have fascinating features. And then there is the gem in their midst... planet Earth.

[Pyrpolizer]

You missed the point about life and gravity completely. I was refering to gravity on earth that we depend on to live and it suddenly being no more.

You created 2 topics one about the existence of God, and this one about life on Earth.
In the end you created confusion since you once talk about gravity in this topic and once in the other.
To be honest I thought this was the topic about God.

I agree with you that gravity is important for life on earth, but it's not the only factor. Millions of other factors made it possible.
Similar gravity to that on earth exists in other planets too, so what's all this fuss about gravity??

[Lordo]

Now this is very interesting. Here is a salamander who evolved to have eyes and then moved into a cave and evovled the eyes out as they were not needed.

That’s a made up fairytale. Nobody was there to see the salamander’s alleged changes… they’re only assumed.

You really expect the samander to change so quickly as to be seen? Gavolon Mavrolon bale.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/150911-blind-cavefish-animals-science-vision-evolution

[Get Real!]

Now this is very interesting. Here is a salamander who evolved to have eyes and then moved into a cave and evovled the eyes out as they were not needed.

That’s a made up fairytale. Nobody was there to see the salamander’s alleged changes… they’re only assumed.

You really expect the samander to change so quickly as to be seen? Gavolon Mavrolon bale.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/150911-blind-cavefish-animals-science-vision-evolution

Evolution is a daft theory because nothing can rely on it for survival as it takes too long to save anything!