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by **Lordo** » Wed Dec 22, 2021 2:55 pm

miltiades wrote:No-one has ever presented one iota of persuasive evidence that there is a God.

All the tales of miracles, with which the Old and New Testament are filled as well as ....Facebook, , are fit only for impostors to preach and fools to believe. You want a laugh ? See FB posts from Agion Oros. A bloody miracle a minute !!!

On the other hand, Scientist have evidence of fossils to back their argument.

This has been put on display and it looks incredible. I actually have one such egg with the shoulder blade clearly visible in it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-59748281

by **Pyrpolizer** » Wed Dec 22, 2021 4:01 pm

Get Real! wrote:Lordo, even if all this Victorian evolution baloney were to be true...

Where did all these “species splitting” laws come from?

Who or what determines when a species should split?

Where did these “laws” come from and who or what put them there?

For a trigger to go off that kick-starts a process/action, it must meet certain conditions… the logic of which is instilled by the engineer or the designer!

Once again, you need a DESIGNER!

So technically, it doesn’t matter which theory you lean towards for it will always require an engineer behind it!

Therefore… inventing a complicated DELAY in how modern Man came about (evolution), doesn’t exempt you from not having a DESIGNER!

If it is lawless it can never work and if there are laws then something drew up and put them there!

There is no escape from a designer!

You are both right and wrong imo.
Right in the sense that there are "laws" in action. Just like C+O2-->CO2.
However these "laws" are properties of the unleashed energy that created the Universe, which later condensed to matter etc. Absolutely no design in that. It's all a random outcome considering those laws.
If there was any design, then God would have created unlimited numbers of exactly what he wanted, and everything would be perfectly calculated, working with absolute precision.

Think of our planet Earth. What kind of designer would create a place where 75% of it's water is unusable saline sea water? If the water in our Oceans was usable there would be no poverty on the planet, no people dying of hunger, humans would turn the planet to paradise. Crazy designer maybe?
I don't think so.
Perhaps God himself gets meaning in his existence by watching what randomness can do.

by **Pyrpolizer** » Wed Dec 22, 2021 4:14 pm

Lordo wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:This series explains quite well the history of Earth and life. It's 12 episodes about 4 minutes each.
https://www.youtube.com/c/HadeanBioscience

One may turn it down as just another unproven theory, but imo it's closer to what we scientifically know than the theory of "a designer" who just waited for everything to settle to throw his little creatures on earth.
All based on total randomness.

Milti at the same time would cry "cockroaches too my God, why cockroaches???"

What I am posting is mostly proven fossil recordsinterlaced with a bit of guess work as to how they fit. What is being written is solid and in the ground, found and identified in every sense of when it existed and where it belongs in the family of life on earth.
I will watch them though to compare.

No need. It's just a description of what the video says. The difference is that the video series is much more exciting. Not saying it's the truth though, GR generally has a point. That we have no idea of how life started on Earth... nobody was there to see it, it's all assumptions.

by **Pyrpolizer** » Wed Dec 22, 2021 4:26 pm

miltiades wrote:No-one has ever presented one iota of persuasive evidence that there is a God.

All the tales of miracles, with which the Old and New Testament are filled as well as ....Facebook, , are fit only for impostors to preach and fools to believe. You want a laugh ? See FB posts from Agion Oros. A bloody miracle a minute !!!

The proof that THERE IS GOD comes from the fact that it's impossible not to be.
The proof that the gods of various religion are just man made fallacies is easy, you just described some

by **Lordo** » Wed Dec 22, 2021 4:43 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
miltiades wrote:No-one has ever presented one iota of persuasive evidence that there is a God.

All the tales of miracles, with which the Old and New Testament are filled as well as ....Facebook, , are fit only for impostors to preach and fools to believe. You want a laugh ? See FB posts from Agion Oros. A bloody miracle a minute !!!

The proof that THERE IS GOD comes from the fact that it's impossible not to be.
The proof that the gods of various religion are just man made fallacies is easy, you just described some

What is it that God is supposed to have done. Create the universe or start life? Or is it both?

by **Get Real!** » Wed Dec 22, 2021 4:45 pm

Lordo wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
miltiades wrote:Moses, you know the one, was wondering in the dessert for 40 years, might not be true since he , Moses, might just be a mythological figure, however we are told that he wrote Genesis as well as 4 more books of the OT.
All 5 books are full of utter crap starting from the creation of man out of dust. Was this created man white, black or yellow? Not wanting to get his hands dirty, the ...creator, pull out a ...Swiss knife and chopped off a rib off Adam He made a blonde with big tits, gave her a pussy a pair of tits and a ....big mouth. !! What absolute rubbish

That’s the biblical God… the oldest theory which is plagued with countless problems.

You then have the Victorian evolution theory which is also very old-school now and plagued with countless other problems.

The non-personal super-being that I've been talking about, is a new age theory that makes perfect sense.

You are very very wrong about Evolution being old school. Quite the oposite actually. Everything he has said can be proven by DNA testing.

FFS attend a uni and this time finish it. Oh by the way make that a Biology degree.

I’m afraid you got left behind in popular 70s theories when you were wearing your jingle-bell trousers while listening to Pink Floyd. :lol:

The fools would find a fossil and just because such a species no longer existed they would assume that it had split into 20 other species and call it the "ancestor" thereof! Basically, a string of childish assumptions!

But the truth of the matter is that had evolution been correct we would’ve ended up with an ever increasing number of species but that’s not what is happening… there are far fewer species now than existed say 10,000 years ago!

by **Get Real!** » Wed Dec 22, 2021 4:50 pm

miltiades wrote:No-one has ever presented one iota of persuasive evidence that there is a God.!

The dumbest statement ever... :lol:

by **Get Real!** » Wed Dec 22, 2021 5:09 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:You are both right and wrong imo.
Right in the sense that there are "laws" in action. Just like C+O2-->CO2.
However these "laws" are properties of the unleashed energy that created the Universe, which later condensed to matter etc. Absolutely no design in that. It's all a random outcome considering those laws.
If there was any design, then God would have created unlimited numbers of exactly what he wanted, and everything would be perfectly calculated, working with absolute precision.

God created whatever he wanted to create and it all works in the manner he intended it, so I'm not sure what you're on about.

You seem to think that by making everything super-easy for humans so they thrive and you end up with a trillion population within the first 5 years of their existence, is a clever design move!

Pyrpolizer wrote:Think of our planet Earth. What kind of designer would create a place where 75% of it's water is unusable saline sea water?

The fact that today there are 7.5 billion people on Earth and counting, proves that his formula eventually worked just fine!

Pyrpolizer wrote:If the water in our Oceans was usable there would be no poverty on the planet, no people dying of hunger, humans would turn the planet to paradise. Crazy designer maybe?
I don't think so. Perhaps God himself gets meaning in his existence by watching what randomness can do.

Lots of Asian countries have very high annual rainfalls (hence the rice paddies), but it doesn't necessarily make them wealthy nations.

by **Pyrpolizer** » Wed Dec 22, 2021 5:26 pm

Lordo wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
miltiades wrote:No-one has ever presented one iota of persuasive evidence that there is a God.

All the tales of miracles, with which the Old and New Testament are filled as well as ....Facebook, , are fit only for impostors to preach and fools to believe. You want a laugh ? See FB posts from Agion Oros. A bloody miracle a minute !!!

The proof that THERE IS GOD comes from the fact that it's impossible not to be.
The proof that the gods of various religion are just man made fallacies is easy, you just described some

What is it that God is supposed to have done. Create the universe or start life? Or is it both?

What we witness so far is that the laws for both were set right from the start. It so happened that in one of the zillions of planets there came one called Earth where the laws were set so that amino acids could create the kind of life we have here. I am sure the same laws exist everywhere in the Universe.However the rest of the Universe looks meaningless and lifeless to us. Yet we don't know which other laws for creating life may exist.