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[Get Real!]

Lordo, I understand you live in the UK right?

Well here’s the UK’s COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report (up to week 48) available at...

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... eek-48.pdf


Have a look at these tables...

Page 32/47 - “Death within 28 days of positive COVID-19 test…”

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Page 33/47 - “Death within 60 days of positive COVID-19 test…”

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And to those of you who are wondering about Cyprus... I don’t expect this picture to be much different in every other country; there would be no logical reason for it to be any different,

unless they’re using different brand name vaccines, like in China and India etc.

Unfortunately, there’s no such transparency in CY (I couldn’t find any online data) so they can announce whatever they like in the media, but don’t you believe them!

[Get Real!]

Btw, I want to address the curious note you’ll find on every table which reads...

[These data should be interpreted with caution. See information below in footnote about the correct interpretation of these figures]

I would call placing such a note on every table a strategic “instilment of second-guessing”!

In other words... they know they MUST publish their reports in accordance with the law, but they hate the results because they’re not in line with what comes out their mouths in the media all day; having drowned in their own pro-Pfizer propaganda, that they want to manufacture a last-minute confusion so as to leave you second-guessing what you’re actually reading!

It’s like they don’t even believe their own statistics anymore which are telling a different story!

[Lordo]

You still don't get it GR. Back in the days of no Vaccination last January we had 30,000 deaths of unvaccinated people in January alone and another 16000 during the month before in December.

Which bit of this information do you mot understand?

We are talking about 1000 per day in January. We are now looking at under 160 per day.

WTF is the matter with you?

[Get Real!]

You still don't get it GR. Back in the days of no Vaccination last January we had 30,000 deaths of unvaccinated people in January alone and another 16000 during the month before in December.

Which bit of this information do you mot understand?

We are talking about 1000 per day in January. We are now looking at under 160 per day.

WTF is the matter with you?

You’re just gonna have to decide what exactly you are talking about!

Is this part of the “vaccinated vs unvaccinated” argument?

Or a new… “I’m seeing fewer dead on the planet from last year and therefore give all credit to jabs!” ?

[Lordo]

You still don't get it GR. Back in the days of no Vaccination last January we had 30,000 deaths of unvaccinated people in January alone and another 16000 during the month before in December.

Which bit of this information do you mot understand?

We are talking about 1000 per day in January. We are now looking at under 160 per day.

WTF is the matter with you?

You’re just gonna have to decide what exactly you are talking about!

Is this part of the “vaccinated vs unvaccinated” argument?

Or a new… “I’m seeing fewer dead on the planet from last year and therefore give all credit to jabs!” ?

Really? Are you saying that two dates with two diferent rates of rates of deaths and vaccination cannot be compared?

I accept that not all the fall in the rate of death my not be down to vaccination because clearly the Medics can treat the sufferers a lot better now than they did then but that vaccination has no affect?

You gotta a be kidding me.

[Pyrpolizer]

I actually have downloaded the week 47 report a few days ago and stopped at fig.4 Effectiveness against mortality showing values > 95%.
I wouldn't expect from a University graduate like you to be so sloppy in reading information.
The first question you should ask yourself is how could it be possible for an official report to ever be so contradictory between figure 4 and tables 10 a,b. Is that really possible??

Of course not!! The answer is in figure 5 showing that 95% over the age of 75, and over 80 have already been fully vaccinated.
It's the same thing I described you here:
cyprus47300-4280.html#p911946

I am also surprised you did read the warnings but you didn't read the footnotes that explain it clearly.

In the context of very high vaccine coverage in the population, even with a highly effective vaccine, it is expected that a large proportion of cases, hospitalisations and deaths would occur in vaccinated individuals, simply because a larger proportion of the population are vaccinated than unvaccinated and no vaccine is 100% effective

[Lordo]

I actually have downloaded the week 47 report a few days ago and stopped at fig.4 Effectiveness against mortality showing values > 95%.
I wouldn't expect from a University graduate like you to be so sloppy in reading information.
The first question you should ask yourself is how could it be possible for an official report to ever be so contradictory between figure 4 and tables 10 a,b. Is that really possible??

Of course not!! The answer is in figure 5 showing that 95% over the age of 75, and over 80 have already been fully vaccinated.
It's the same thing I described you here:
cyprus47300-4280.html#p911946

I am also surprised you did read the warnings but you didn't read the footnotes that explain it clearly.

In the context of very high vaccine coverage in the population, even with a highly effective vaccine, it is expected that a large proportion of cases, hospitalisations and deaths would occur in vaccinated individuals, simply because a larger proportion of the population are vaccinated than unvaccinated and no vaccine is 100% effective

Let me help you there my friend. GR has not graduated for anything. Worse still he has done that twice so that makes him undergraduate squared.

[Pyrpolizer]

That thing about the warnings and the footnotes really got me very suspicious of possible agenda behind all this. I am here trying to find information about things that worry me, and I really try to discuss issues about the vaccines in good faith.
I will wait for GR's explanation. If not satisfactory I will abstain from any further discussion.

[Get Real!]

I actually have downloaded the week 47 report a few days ago and stopped at fig.4 Effectiveness against mortality showing values > 95%.
I wouldn't expect from a University graduate like you to be so sloppy in reading information.
The first question you should ask yourself is how could it be possible for an official report to ever be so contradictory between figure 4 and tables 10 a,b. Is that really possible??

Of course not!! The answer is in figure 5 showing that 95% over the age of 75, and over 80 have already been fully vaccinated.
It's the same thing I described you here:
cyprus47300-4280.html#p911946

I am also surprised you did read the warnings but you didn't read the footnotes that explain it clearly.

In the context of very high vaccine coverage in the population, even with a highly effective vaccine, it is expected that a large proportion of cases, hospitalisations and deaths would occur in vaccinated individuals, simply because a larger proportion of the population are vaccinated than unvaccinated and no vaccine is 100% effective

If you have the time, you can easily double check the “Effectiveness against mortality” yourself Pyro as follows…

1. Get the sum of the last two columns (but not the <18) of Table 8 and call it “A”

2. Get the sum of the last two columns (but not the <18) of Table 10-a and call it “B”

3. Get the sum of the last two columns (but not the <18) of Table 10-b and call it “C”

4. (100 * (B+C)) / A <-- that’s your percentage of effectiveness

Voila!

NB: You’ll need to do this manually because PDF tables are not Excel compatible.

So, get back to us if it equates to 95%...

[Paphitis]

I actually have downloaded the week 47 report a few days ago and stopped at fig.4 Effectiveness against mortality showing values > 95%.
I wouldn't expect from a University graduate like you to be so sloppy in reading information.
The first question you should ask yourself is how could it be possible for an official report to ever be so contradictory between figure 4 and tables 10 a,b. Is that really possible??

Of course not!! The answer is in figure 5 showing that 95% over the age of 75, and over 80 have already been fully vaccinated.
It's the same thing I described you here:
cyprus47300-4280.html#p911946

I am also surprised you did read the warnings but you didn't read the footnotes that explain it clearly.

In the context of very high vaccine coverage in the population, even with a highly effective vaccine, it is expected that a large proportion of cases, hospitalisations and deaths would occur in vaccinated individuals, simply because a larger proportion of the population are vaccinated than unvaccinated and no vaccine is 100% effective

If you have the time, you can easily double check the “Effectiveness against mortality” yourself Pyro as follows…

1. Get the sum of the last two columns (but not the <18) of Table 8 and call it “A”

2. Get the sum of the last two columns (but not the <18) of Table 10-a and call it “B”

3. Get the sum of the last two columns (but not the <18) of Table 10-b and call it “C”

4. (100 * (B+C)) / A <-- that’s your percentage of effectiveness

Voila!

NB: You’ll need to do this manually because PDF tables are not Excel compatible.

So, get back to us if it equates to 95%...

Efficacy rates are nowhere near 95%. They only said this for all the little sheep and minions to get vaccinated.

However, there is an efficacy. What the true value is, I don’t know. But according to the Israelis, the efficacy is around 65%. It will increase with a third booster jab. But still not 95%

Even at 65%, it is a worthwhile life saver. So yes, it does save people from dieing of Covid.

What we don’t know is under what long term side effects. Does it kill off our immunity to other things like the flu? Is there a risk of DVT and other heart conditions. Well apparently there are. And people are dieing from these conditions. Not a lot of transparency to be found here as those who speak up are silenced straight away.

And the worst thing of all isn’t the vaccine. It’s the wintering away of basic human rights and freedoms. Creating division between the vaccinated and creating a second class citizenry among the unvaccinated.

One day, our generation will have to answer some pretty tough questions from our children and grand children for destroying their freedoms and creating a world dystopia.

The UK is one of the most transparent countries in the world and the data they publish is extremely good and interesting. Including the death data among the vaccinated vs unvaccinated. It’s completely normal at this point for more people to die among the vaccinated as their vaccination rate is over 80%.

Just to illustrate how far ahead the UK is, Cyprus has no such data that I can find, which means they are withholding information from the Cypriot people. It’s not a good thing at all.