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Letter from Kucuk to Makarios

Postby Lordo » Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:14 pm

This is a very interesting letter from Kucuk to Makarios. It is in TC lingo for those who can read it but I will translate some bits later when I get the time.

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Re: Letter from Kucuk to Makarios

Postby Lordo » Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:33 pm

Where is the comment about Kucuk planning Taksim in 1961?

We all gone deaf all of a sudden?
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Re: Letter from Kucuk to Makarios

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Dec 14, 2021 5:34 am

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Re: Letter from Kucuk to Makarios

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:47 am

In the cafe my grandfather enjoyed there was a picture of Kucuk hanging on the wall, with a map of Cyprus beside him and Makarios beside them.

...there was a map of the world on which he would quiz me, its places and names.

...indeed, you could say that those photos made me the person that i am, along with the photos in my grandmother's kitchen, man walking on the moon for one, a group picture of our President at the Commonwealth Conference sitting beside the Queen, the Queen as a child with her sister and mother on another wall, and of her great-great-grandmother Queen Victoria on a wall of her own. I remember them well; no one made breakfast like her.

...by sixteen it was over for me, happiness, (i didn't know it then,) it was the last time i slept on earth i could call home, my home. By eighteen i was begging an Italian diplomat for news of my sister, pregnant at the time when all the bad stuff happened in '74. I have visited since then, Cyprus, i mean. Canada has been good to me. Canada is a country i care for as deeply. But i feel homeless; most of all i miss the trees, my trees, and the fields of wheat we cared for, ours, and that gave us not just a connection to the land we loved so much but a connection to a family having cared for them, so long.

Indeed, Lordo, please explain the relationship between Kucuk and Denktash; it is not so simple when each community was being torn apart within, as well.
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Re: Letter from Kucuk to Makarios

Postby Lordo » Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:04 pm

Clearly Kucuk was not playing fiddle to the Turkish tune which is why he was replaced by Dengtash eventually but long before that, control was given the Leader of TMT who was in control in TCs with his control coming from Turkish Deep State. A lot of other TMT leaders were also replaced in the enclaves by Turkish soldiers by 1965 as they had no wish to play the fiddle to the Turkish tune either.

One point here to think about is this. Is it possible that the ministers were ignroing Makarios's wishes or was the old priest making it obvious they can continue in their quest to collaps RoC and from GRoC.
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Re: Letter from Kucuk to Makarios

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:46 am

...it must have started this way, but at one point, it would be hard to imagine Makarios did not change his intentions. Remember he survived two assassination attempts, as though one was not enough; it was a Proxy War on many levels, very complex if you include the interlocutors, not just a war of "Greeks" against "Turks", or "Turks" against "Greeks", but "Turks" against Turks, "Greeks" against Greeks, and of course "Greeks" and "Turks" against Cypriots.

...all i am waiting for are Cypriots making souvla on their beaches, swords drawn with hunks of meat stabbed through for the fire, to eat the bounty of togetherness under the one Flag rightfully theirs; who would refuse Cypriots against the "Them" that has kept them divided, acting this way?
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Re: Letter from Kucuk to Makarios

Postby Lordo » Wed Dec 15, 2021 2:29 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...it must have started this way, but at one point, it would be hard to imagine Makarios did not change his intentions. Remember he survived two assassination attempts, as though one was not enough; it was a Proxy War on many levels, very complex if you include the interlocutors, not just a war of "Greeks" against "Turks", or "Turks" against "Greeks", but "Turks" against Turks, "Greeks" against Greeks, and of course "Greeks" and "Turks" against Cypriots.

...all i am waiting for are Cypriots making souvla on their beaches, swords drawn with hunks of meat stabbed through for the fire, to eat the bounty of togetherness under the one Flag rightfully theirs; who would refuse Cypriots against the "Them" that has kept them divided, acting this way?

He suffered 4 attempts on his life from what I remember. But that was much later, we are talking about time period between 1960 and 64 where all hell broke loose.
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Re: Letter from Kucuk to Makarios

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:05 pm

...yup, he may have been with ''them'', having those intentions, at the start; "they'' weren't/aren't any different.

But he must have evolved; Freedom meant freeing himself from "Them", if his personal experiences counted for anything.

...the Cypriots, the Greeks and Turks who are/were not "Greeks" and "Turks" were silenced, a start they as yet have not overcome.
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Re: Letter from Kucuk to Makarios

Postby Lordo » Fri Mar 25, 2022 11:35 pm

Here is a very interesting conversation between Johnson and Truman

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Re: Letter from Kucuk to Makarios

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Mar 26, 2022 5:18 am

...yes, those were the days; a little conversation and ''they'' would straighten things out. The good ol' boys...

Like the Dulles family in their prime, real men, (and the other dynasties politically speaking; the Policy makers), all well bred: eh?

Are you talking to me about "Greeks", like "Turks" are worthy of our pity, because in truth Cypriots Turkish and Greek, i remind you, had their lives stolen, (yet you can rank "Them"; one more bad), (or that only Turks exist, "Turks" don't exist; or that "Americans" are no threat either because they do not exist either), but, all Greeks are "Greeks": is that it?

Wake up Lordo, you remember "Gladio"; how can i forget having learned of their existence from you. Such a snippet only proves that finding a grain of truth comes with a lot of chaff.

...it's an interesting audio clip; how friendly they are toward each other, so calm and in control.

Contrast it however with the visual 'dialog presented, and what do you get; shit: a poor reckoning of the real Problem, the plight of Cypriots not "Greek" and not "Turk" ignored.
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