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Re: Refugee vs Asylum vs Migrant

Postby Lordo » Tue Apr 26, 2022 11:00 am

Here is another bit of info which put things into context so people do not believe the myths.

The fact is that some refugees do not want to stay in the first safe country they reach, nor are they under any legal obligation to do so.

But first, let us not forget that many refugees do actually stay in refugee camps. The Home Secretary is getting herself in a tissy because of a couple of hundred of refugees. According to UNHCR, the top five countries hosting refugees are Turkey (3.5 million), Uganda (1.4 million), Pakistan (1.4 million), Lebanon (1 million) and Iran (979,400).

SO that the old boy does not feel as though we are opening our borders to everybody by allowing those who arrive at at our shores this will give a good idea of the refugee status in the world.
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Re: Refugee vs Asylum vs Migrant

Postby Lordo » Tue Apr 26, 2022 12:04 pm

This directly from the 1951 Refugee Convention. Page 3


This recognizes that the seeking of asylum can require refugees to breach immigration rules.
Prohibited penalties might include being charged with immigration or criminal offences relating to the seeking of asylum, or being arbitrarily detained purely on the basis of seeking asylum. Importantly, the Convention contains various safeguards against the expulsion of refugees. The principle of non-refoulement is so fundamental that no reservations or derogations may be made to it. It provides that no one shall expel or return (“refouler”) a refugee against his or her will, in any manner whatsoever, to a territory where he or she fears threats to life or freedom

Finally, the Convention lays down basic minimum standards for the treatment of refugees, without prejudice to States granting more favourable treatment.
Such rights include access to the courts,
to primary education,
to work,
and the provision for documentation,
including a refugee travel document in passport form.

Most States parties to the Convention issue this document, which has become as widely accepted as the former “Nansen passport”, an identity document for refugees devised by the first Commissioner for Refugees, Fridtjof Nansen, in 1922



The word should or first safe country is not mentioned in here. Even if it did mention it, should is not compulsory legally speaking.

It should be noted that people arriving here as Refugees or Asylum seekers are not allowed to work and receive approx. 35 pounds a week to live on and their accommodation is paid separately.


If anybody has any other reference to what a Refugee can or cannot do by all means reference it and lets have a look at it.
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Re: Refugee vs Asylum vs Migrant

Postby Lordo » Tue Apr 26, 2022 12:25 pm

More importantly we should be looking at why people need to move at all.

There is two of us here who had to make such a journey but Milti is not ready to say what age he left and why.

Why I left is understandable, TCs had no security before 1974, anybody could have been picked up and killed and the police would not even investigate the murder.

But I want to understand why Milti decided to leave.

On the other hand there are 68 million people who are driven from their homes for one reason and another. It could be war, it could religious persecution, it could be political persecution and it could even be that American corporations have been given possession of their lands for resources or their land has been flooded to form reservoir of water.

What ever it is though it is to do with food distribution. Once hungry people will leave if they have the means and if they do not they will starve to death and the Western world is mostly responsible for causing it in various way. One way is of course imposing dictators on them to be able to buy their resources on the cheap.
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