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What exactly is anti-semitism?

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Re: What exactly is anti-semitism?

Postby Lordo » Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:25 am

So back to the topic.

Semitism is:

Semitic traits, attributes, or customs.
A policy or predisposition in favour of Jews.

So what does it mean to be anti-Semitic?
A policy or predisposition of not in favour of Jews.

Is this true or not?
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Re: What exactly is anti-semitism?

Postby Londonrake » Thu Jun 23, 2022 8:49 pm

I'm sure you could classify murdering 6 million Jewish men, women and children (babies not excluded) on an industrial scale as anti-Semitism.

Although of course it you subscribe to the likes of David Irving and - more importantly - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad then the whole thing simply didn't happen. A conspiracy theory. Like the moon landings.
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Re: What exactly is anti-semitism?

Postby Maximus » Thu Jun 23, 2022 9:12 pm

Lordo wrote:So back to the topic.

Semitism is:

Semitic traits, attributes, or customs.
A policy or predisposition in favour of Jews.

So what does it mean to be anti-Semitic?
A policy or predisposition of not in favour of Jews.

Is this true or not?


No, its not true,

Anti-semitism is when you dont want to impregnate a Jew.

The opposite is insemination, this is when you are impregnating a Jew.

That is what it means to be a semite.
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Re: What exactly is anti-semitism?

Postby Lordo » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:22 am

In the meantime the definition of anti-Semitism on the Government website is described as:

As attacks across Europe and more broadly demonstrate, the problem of antisemitism continues to be a serious one. The UK works closely with our international partners to tackle antisemitism, and for this reason, the Government has recently supported the publication of a British Best Practice Guide to tackling antisemitism, available online here.

Antisemitism continues to affect communities around the UK. The most recent Community Security Trust report recorded 924 individual incidents during the course of 2015. The Government is committed to ensuring that British people of all faiths and ethnicities can live without fear of abuse or attack.

One issue identified by international partners, is the absence of an agreed international definition of antisemitism.

In the UK we use this definition of hate crime in general:

Hate crimes and incidents are taken to mean any crime or incident where the perpetrator’s hostility or prejudice against an identifiable group of people is a factor in determining who is victimised.

The UK Government’s overall policy is that it is up to the victim to determine whether a crime against them was motivated by any particular characteristics. This builds trust in the police among minority communities, and allows flexibility in our response.

However, for those seeking a definition of antisemitism, the UK’s College of Policing does include a working definition of antisemitism in their guidance to police forces in the UK. The full guidance is available from their website here and the definition is reproduced in full here:

Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.

In addition, such manifestations could also target the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. Antisemitism frequently charges Jews with conspiring to harm humanity, and it is often used to blame Jews for “why things go wrong.” It is expressed in speech, writing, visual forms and action, and employs sinister stereotypes and negative character traits.

Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to:

Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
Examples of the ways in which antisemitism manifests itself with regard to the State of Israel taking into account the overall context could include:

Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.
However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic. Antisemitic acts are criminal when they are so defined by law (for example, denial of the Holocaust or distribution of antisemitic materials in some countries).

Criminal acts are antisemitic when the targets of attacks, whether they are people or property – such as buildings, schools, places of worship and cemeteries – are selected because they are, or are perceived to be, Jewish or linked to Jews.

Antisemitic discrimination is the denial to Jews of opportunities or services available to others and is illegal in many countries.


In reality it should be no different than anti-Racist laws, should it?
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Re: What exactly is anti-semitism?

Postby Lordo » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:27 am

One issue I have with it is this.

For instance Americans have killed millions and so have the French and the Brits and the Spanish too. So why is denying these killings not against the law and denying killing Jews in gas chamber is?
What is the difference?
Surely denying all the mass murders should be against the law.
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Re: What exactly is anti-semitism?

Postby Maximus » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:32 am

Lordo wrote:One issue I have with it is this.

For instance Americans have killed millions and so have the French and the Brits and the Spanish too. So why is denying these killings not against the law and denying killing Jews in gas chamber is?
What is the difference?
Surely denying all the mass murders should be against the law.


its against the law to recognize the Armenian and Greek genocides in Turkey.
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