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[Londonrake]

My post was addressed to Paphitis -not you- and i provided the exact timeline to watch a 1 minute part of it.That''s because it clearly answers to Paphitis' dreams. You seemingly having watched nothing came to the same conclusion as the video did anyway, albeit for the wrong reasons.

You dared called Noam Chomsky a useful idiot??? Maybe you should think for yourself. Then you are comparing the impact of those people who are actually sidelined with that of MSM!!?? That would make a perfect useful idiot.

And yes such opposing however sidelined views function freely in Russia. What do you think channel 1420 on youtube that RW posts all day does?

As for Navalny , you should actually spin your brain a bit and explain how on earth he was evacuated to Germany after presumably having been poisoned. Do you have to be a rocket scientist to realize he was a foreign agent all along?

We can all reply to posts on such threads with our points of view. That surely is what a discussion forum's all about? Otherwise shouldn't it be a PM?

Most of the the rest of your response - sadly - descends into a bit of a confusing realm of obfuscation, fantasy and personal abuse. Pity.

[Pyrpolizer]

My post was addressed to Paphitis -not you- and i provided the exact timeline to watch a 1 minute part of it.That''s because it clearly answers to Paphitis' dreams. You seemingly having watched nothing came to the same conclusion as the video did anyway, albeit for the wrong reasons.

You dared called Noam Chomsky a useful idiot??? Maybe you should think for yourself. Then you are comparing the impact of those people who are actually sidelined with that of MSM!!?? That would make a perfect useful idiot.

And yes such opposing however sidelined views function freely in Russia. What do you think channel 1420 on youtube that RW posts all day does?

As for Navalny , you should actually spin your brain a bit and explain how on earth he was evacuated to Germany after presumably having been poisoned. Do you have to be a rocket scientist to realize he was a foreign agent all along?

We can all reply to posts on such threads with our points of view. That surely is what a discussion forum's all about? Otherwise shouldn't it be a PM?

Most of the the rest of your response - sadly - descends into a bit of a confusing realm of obfuscation, fantasy and personal abuse. Pity.

Of course you can reply to any posts assuming you reply to the point made and have first seen the relevant part I was referring to. You haven't done any of that, and diverted to a million other issues...................................as usual.

[Londonrake]

Of course you can reply to any posts assuming you reply to the point made and have first seen the relevant part I was referring to. You haven't done any of that, and diverted to a million other issues...................................as usual.

Well, I disagree of course and think you're being a tad hypocritical there. Nevertheless, any war will by its very nature be a complex and divisive subject to discuss. There's rarely much in the way of middle ground and the temptation to slip into slander ever present.

[Paphitis]

Soon enough, there will be NATO troops in Ukraine to mop every shit stain ruzzian up. The Nuclear Deterrance value is in decline.

This should wake you up.

NATO DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING CAPABLE OF DOING ANYTHING IN UKRAINE.

It will only take you 1 minute to get educated about the details at this exact time frame.-->>


https://youtu.be/ei2AoIToiIw?t=5849

Oh really! NATO doesn't have anything capable huh?

NATO has totally fucked Russia up through a proxy. It's the equivalent of belting the crap out of someone with 1 hand tied behind your back.

If there was direct conflict with NATO - Russia wouldn't last a single week before it completely collapses into total dissaray and chaos.

NATO isn't even necessary right now to stuff Russia up. Even just France alone would wipe the floor with Russia. UK will do it on its own as well. Come to think of it, so too Poland and Turkey.

In my opinion, I believe Poland should invade Bella-Russia.

Moldova should start an offensive to liberate their occupied lands as well. US should send some HIMARS to Moldova to start softening them up for 3 months.

[Pyrpolizer]

Incoming subsonics and supersonics is exactly what the S-400 was deigned to catch.

S400 don't work, and return like boomerangs back onto their launcher.

Look, that bubble burst a long time ago.

The Air Defence kings are the west. we never knew it till now, but now we know.

Nothing is better than Nassam, IRIS T, Iron Dome, Patriot, Aspide, and Crotale.

When you can't even shoot down a Ukrainian Drone with S400, there is buckleys chance in hell of getting an ICBM.

The S-400 missiles are too large and expensive for drones… it was designed to intercept cruise missiles, incoming nukes, and all that serious shit.

The best and cheapest weapon for all those little drones in use these days, are the good old AAAs and heavy machine guns.

Soon enough, there will be NATO troops in Ukraine to mop every shit stain ruzzian up. The Nuclear Deterrance value is in decline.

This should wake you up.

NATO DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING CAPABLE OF DOING ANYTHING IN UKRAINE.

It will only take you 1 minute to get educated about the details at this exact time frame.-->>


https://youtu.be/ei2AoIToiIw?t=5849

Oh really! NATO doesn't have anything capable huh?

NATO has totally fucked Russia up through a proxy. It's the equivalent of belting the crap out of someone with 1 hand tied behind your back.

If there was direct conflict with NATO - Russia wouldn't last a single week before it completely collapses into total dissaray and chaos.

NATO isn't even necessary right now to stuff Russia up. Even just France alone would wipe the floor with Russia. UK will do it on its own as well. Come to think of it, so too Poland and Turkey.

In my opinion, I believe Poland should invade Bella-Russia.

Moldova should start an offensive to liberate their occupied lands as well. US should send some HIMARS to Moldova to start softening them up for 3 months.

Notice the wording: Anything capable of doing anything in Ukraine.

For whatever weapon already donated to Ukraine, Russia has a better one both regarding range and accuracy. Do you dare compare the Himars with the Russian Kalibr, Iskander, or even Tockha?
These are weapons for fixed targets and known coordinates, let aside the fact that Himars can only be used at night to hide from kamikaze drones.

Your hypothetical scenario that Nato troops would confront Russia in Ukraine is just a pipe dream.
A) Ukraine is not even a Nato member.
B) You better read the details of article 5 which states clearly that each Nato member would decide by itself what kind of assistance it would provide, in case it's invoked. Despite the fact that it has not been invoked Ukraine still gets Nato "assistance" except troops on the ground officially. Unofficially there are many, in Zaporiche alone there are 5-7K Polish troops wearing Ukrainian uniforms, plus other Nato military personnel at the back.
C)Other than the USA not even one individual Nato country has enough active troops to encounter Russia which may increase it's numbers from 1.3 million to 25 million with reservists. E.g. Britain itself has only 80K troops! What Ukraine currently does is sacrificing troops and equipment on a ratio of 8:1 just to mainly capture agricultural land in the steppes. Which Nato country would ever do that in Ukraine?
D) A direct confrontation between Nato and Russia in Ukraine will simply escalate to nuclear and won't be limited to Ukraine.

And remember Russia DID NOT lose the war. It simply retreated, from two areas a) Kharkiv, and b)West bank of the Dnipro river in Kherson. Each for it's own reasons. The war is not over yet...

[Paphitis]

Incoming subsonics and supersonics is exactly what the S-400 was deigned to catch.

S400 don't work, and return like boomerangs back onto their launcher.

Look, that bubble burst a long time ago.

The Air Defence kings are the west. we never knew it till now, but now we know.

Nothing is better than Nassam, IRIS T, Iron Dome, Patriot, Aspide, and Crotale.

When you can't even shoot down a Ukrainian Drone with S400, there is buckleys chance in hell of getting an ICBM.

The S-400 missiles are too large and expensive for drones… it was designed to intercept cruise missiles, incoming nukes, and all that serious shit.

The best and cheapest weapon for all those little drones in use these days, are the good old AAAs and heavy machine guns.

Soon enough, there will be NATO troops in Ukraine to mop every shit stain ruzzian up. The Nuclear Deterrance value is in decline.

This should wake you up.

NATO DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING CAPABLE OF DOING ANYTHING IN UKRAINE.

It will only take you 1 minute to get educated about the details at this exact time frame.-->>


https://youtu.be/ei2AoIToiIw?t=5849

Oh really! NATO doesn't have anything capable huh?

NATO has totally fucked Russia up through a proxy. It's the equivalent of belting the crap out of someone with 1 hand tied behind your back.

If there was direct conflict with NATO - Russia wouldn't last a single week before it completely collapses into total dissaray and chaos.

NATO isn't even necessary right now to stuff Russia up. Even just France alone would wipe the floor with Russia. UK will do it on its own as well. Come to think of it, so too Poland and Turkey.

In my opinion, I believe Poland should invade Bella-Russia.

Moldova should start an offensive to liberate their occupied lands as well. US should send some HIMARS to Moldova to start softening them up for 3 months.

Notice the wording: Anything capable of doing anything in Ukraine.

For whatever weapon already donated to Ukraine, Russia has a better one both regarding range and accuracy. Do you dare compare the Himars with the Russian Kalibr, Iskander, or even Tockha?
These are weapons for fixed targets and known coordinates, let aside the fact that Himars can only be used at night to hide from kamikaze drones.

Your hypothetical scenario that Nato troops would confront Russia in Ukraine is just a pipe dream.
A) Ukraine is not even a Nato member.
B) You better read the details of article 5 which states clearly that each Nato member would decide by itself what kind of assistance it would provide, in case it's invoked. Despite the fact that it has not been invoked Ukraine still gets Nato "assistance" except troops on the ground officially. Unofficially there are many, in Zaporiche alone there are 5-7K Polish troops wearing Ukrainian uniforms, plus other Nato military personnel at the back.
C)Other than the USA not even one individual Nato country has enough active troops to encounter Russia which may increase it's numbers from 1.3 million to 25 million with reservists. E.g. Britain itself has only 80K troops! What Ukraine currently does is sacrificing troops and equipment on a ratio of 8:1 just to mainly capture agricultural land in the steppes. Which Nato country would ever do that in Ukraine?
D) A direct confrontation between Nato and Russia in Ukraine will simply escalate to nuclear and won't be limited to Ukraine.

And remember Russia DID NOT lose the war. It simply retreated, from two areas a) Kharkiv, and b)West bank of the Dnipro river in Kherson. Each for it's own reasons. The war is not over yet...

Sorry but Russia doesn't have ANY weapons that are better at this point, in Ukraine and probably anywhere else for that matter. And any good weapons it does have, it has almost run out of and can hardly manufacture fast enough, if at all due to sanctions.

They are using T-62 tanks.

The Western Military machine and complex however, is at full speed manufacturing everything such as shells even (Russia is riunning out) - just to supply Ukraine with the munitions to fuck Russia over.

Merika did that in WW2, and it is doing it today for Ukraine but its not just Merika. The UK, France, Germany, Sweden, Japan are helping and punching well too.

Secondly, Merika is only just getting started. Ukrainian pilots are being trained by the USAF on F-16s, and F-18s. When these enter the war, its bye bye to Russian Forces.

Yes I am well aware of NATOI Article 5. But, Poland is probably well within its rights to act unilaterally and invade Bella-Russia, citing security reasons. In fact, under present day circumstances, it is almost justified. This scenario, isn't a pipe dream.

Te other scenario is if Russia use a Tactical Nuclear weapon. Such an action would demand some response from Western Powers, NATO or US.

[Pyrpolizer]

Incoming subsonics and supersonics is exactly what the S-400 was deigned to catch.

S400 don't work, and return like boomerangs back onto their launcher.

Look, that bubble burst a long time ago.

The Air Defence kings are the west. we never knew it till now, but now we know.

Nothing is better than Nassam, IRIS T, Iron Dome, Patriot, Aspide, and Crotale.

When you can't even shoot down a Ukrainian Drone with S400, there is buckleys chance in hell of getting an ICBM.

The S-400 missiles are too large and expensive for drones… it was designed to intercept cruise missiles, incoming nukes, and all that serious shit.

The best and cheapest weapon for all those little drones in use these days, are the good old AAAs and heavy machine guns.

Soon enough, there will be NATO troops in Ukraine to mop every shit stain ruzzian up. The Nuclear Deterrance value is in decline.

This should wake you up.

NATO DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING CAPABLE OF DOING ANYTHING IN UKRAINE.

It will only take you 1 minute to get educated about the details at this exact time frame.-->>


https://youtu.be/ei2AoIToiIw?t=5849

Oh really! NATO doesn't have anything capable huh?

NATO has totally fucked Russia up through a proxy. It's the equivalent of belting the crap out of someone with 1 hand tied behind your back.

If there was direct conflict with NATO - Russia wouldn't last a single week before it completely collapses into total dissaray and chaos.

NATO isn't even necessary right now to stuff Russia up. Even just France alone would wipe the floor with Russia. UK will do it on its own as well. Come to think of it, so too Poland and Turkey.

In my opinion, I believe Poland should invade Bella-Russia.

Moldova should start an offensive to liberate their occupied lands as well. US should send some HIMARS to Moldova to start softening them up for 3 months.

Notice the wording: Anything capable of doing anything in Ukraine.

For whatever weapon already donated to Ukraine, Russia has a better one both regarding range and accuracy. Do you dare compare the Himars with the Russian Kalibr, Iskander, or even Tockha?
These are weapons for fixed targets and known coordinates, let aside the fact that Himars can only be used at night to hide from kamikaze drones.

Your hypothetical scenario that Nato troops would confront Russia in Ukraine is just a pipe dream.
A) Ukraine is not even a Nato member.
B) You better read the details of article 5 which states clearly that each Nato member would decide by itself what kind of assistance it would provide, in case it's invoked. Despite the fact that it has not been invoked Ukraine still gets Nato "assistance" except troops on the ground officially. Unofficially there are many, in Zaporiche alone there are 5-7K Polish troops wearing Ukrainian uniforms, plus other Nato military personnel at the back.
C)Other than the USA not even one individual Nato country has enough active troops to encounter Russia which may increase it's numbers from 1.3 million to 25 million with reservists. E.g. Britain itself has only 80K troops! What Ukraine currently does is sacrificing troops and equipment on a ratio of 8:1 just to mainly capture agricultural land in the steppes. Which Nato country would ever do that in Ukraine?
D) A direct confrontation between Nato and Russia in Ukraine will simply escalate to nuclear and won't be limited to Ukraine.

And remember Russia DID NOT lose the war. It simply retreated, from two areas a) Kharkiv, and b)West bank of the Dnipro river in Kherson. Each for it's own reasons. The war is not over yet...

Sorry but Russia doesn't have ANY weapons that are better at this point, in Ukraine and probably anywhere else for that matter. And any good weapons it does have, it has almost run out of and can hardly manufacture fast enough, if at all due to sanctions.

You know nothing. Russia manufactures it's own weapons and all factories are currently working 3 shifts 24/7. America already run out of ammunition to the point it now buys 155mm shells from S.Korea and has a hell of legal problems delivering them to Ukraine because S.Korea doesn't accept to be used by any secondary "client".

They are using T-62 tanks.

Whatever weapons need to be "better" Russia already has them. Artillery's power is not measured by how modern they are, but how massively they can fire. So it's all about how many you have. Tanks defensive power is measured by how muck it can withstand enemy hits and Russia traditionally masters the technology of steel. Have you ever heard of "ατσαλι Ρωσσικο"? There's not much difference in offensive power between tanks. Leopards which are supposed to be the best, is just because you can enter the coordinates, and they would do the job by themselves. It will take the operator a day to find the coordinates though, let aside the fact that Tanks are useless and inaccurate for targets more that 3 km away.

The Western Military machine and complex however, is at full speed manufacturing everything such as shells even (Russia is riunning out) - just to supply Ukraine with the munitions to fuck Russia over.

Huh??? Dreaming again. No they are not, these are private companies, who would need more machines, more workers, more capital and they can't invest that much for something that may end up tomorrow. The vast majority of their deliveries are scheduled for next year.

Merika did that in WW2, and it is doing it today for Ukraine but its not just Merika. The UK, France, Germany, Sweden, Japan are helping and punching well too.

Yeah, they all promise but in the end they deliver almost nothing. You should listen to what Erdogan said after he met Zelensky, The only one who currently spends it's billions is the US, and it's questionable for how long they will continue.

Secondly, Merika is only just getting started. Ukrainian pilots are being trained by the USAF on F-16s, and F-18s. When these enter the war, its bye bye to Russian Forces.

Last time I checked there was only one Ukrainian pilot training and even him was some strange case (don't remember well, but I think he was employed by another country). These are just dreams and rumors people spread in blogs.

Yes I am well aware of NATOI Article 5. But, Poland is probably well within its rights to act unilaterally and invade Bella-Russia, citing security reasons. In fact, under present day circumstances, it is almost justified. This scenario, isn't a pipe dream.

It is a pipe dream thinking that any Nato member which is supposed to be a defensive alliance is covered by article 5 after staring an offensive operation without getting the approval of the UN Security council. Therefore if Poland does invade Belarus it will be on it's own peril, and will certainly suffer the consequences. At best they will do something stupid like entering Ukraine officially as "peace keepers" taking Lviv in which case Belarus will invade Ukraine too.


Te other scenario is if Russia use a Tactical Nuclear weapon. Such an action would demand some response from Western Powers, NATO or US.

Western media is currently in frenzy mode presumably because they have information that Russia will use an EMP weapon which is based on nuclear technology, without killing anyone but rather destroying all electronic devices. As you can see Russia is far more advanced than Nato/ US in weapons that matter.
https://www.ft.com/content/d6ecbf62-f26 ... bd85f25c06

[Londonrake]

Russia's been trying to get weapons from China (thanks, good luck but we think not) and has been buying them from Iran and N Korea (both now getting cold feet about sanctions). They've stripped Belarus of most of their equipment.

Russia's supposedly much feared armour has proven lamentable. Even their latest efforts have failed to live up to.

The west's manufacturing capacity hugely dwarfs Russia's. Moreover, they don't have any problems procuring bits manufactured in the west. When they downed a Russian new generation drone the Ukrainians found the main processing unit was US built, the smart phone acquisition and targeting one French, the optics Japanese, most of the motor was S Korean and parts of the airframe British.

I would say more but suspect it would be "diverting to a million other issues".

[Pyrpolizer]

https://www.euractiv.com/section/defenc ... tockpiles/

The Pentagon has furnished some 800,000 155mm artillery rounds to Ukraine, while United States has just one factory making them, the General Dynamics plant in Scranton, Pennsylvania that produces only 14,000 rounds a month.

“We have plans… to get that in increments ultimately up to 36,000 a month in about three years,” said LaPlante.

https://www.defensenews.com/global/euro ... warplanes/

[Pyrpolizer]

More educational stuff for the illiterate of the forum

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nation ... -rcna56210

Russia is firing a staggering 20,000 artillery rounds per day, a senior U.S. defense official estimated, while Ukraine is firing from 4,000 to 7,000 rounds daily.