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Postby dms007 » Mon Mar 13, 2006 5:06 pm

Zox, it would be advisable if you contact some international media and tell them of your plight.
That would bring some attention to the government in Cyprus.
Also try contacting the EU hotline.
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Postby Zox » Mon Mar 13, 2006 5:13 pm

I do that already…
Still, nobody even reply to me. I send over 100 mails and letters and calls from the ministries of Cyprus, commissioners in the EU, court for the human rights in Saltsburg, Commission for the human rights watch, United Nations and I do not know where else.
Each friend of mine does the same…
No reply.
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Postby andri_cy » Tue Mar 14, 2006 12:36 am

So if they dont want her there, why keep her in jail and not deport her? I mean I know it sounds mean but going back home is better than jail. What are they waiting for? IS there any way she maybe can beat this?
I sure hope so. Keep us updated if you will. Our prayers are with you!
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Postby Zox » Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:23 am

My dear friend Andri…

That’s the biggest mystery in all story.

I am fat up with Cyprus, believe to me… I had an opportunity to go anywhere in the world, to bee recognized as an expert in my branch, but. There was my stupidity. I was thinking that orthodox people would accept me much easier than Anglo-Saxons. We are orthodox as well. What a mistake!

Short story – if you invest all you life with family and all your money somewhere, how you can just give up on that? And, let say, your kid’s speech better Cypriot greek than Cypriots, what can you say??

Anyway… my wife is still in prison because some politicians want us there and some do not.
Now, there is the little war for the points, ratings or what ever. Immigration is on to deport my wife, some ministers are not. I made letters to the human rights watch, to the commissioners in the EU, to the United Nations…. Still nobody cares.

So, My dear Andri, please choose answer for you. Good luck.
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Postby Zox » Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:22 am

To the cyperzokyli (answer from another forum - sorry, i can't log on there anymore)

Exact details are – I was visitor for more than 5 years on Cyprus (from 1999), I support my family by some scientific works and publications all around the world about GIS and GPS technologies. That mean, I get all my incomes from the overseas. In the meantime I try to establish the offshore company, but by the Cyprus government refuse my engineering team and me. But, they accepted my money ;) So, I got an idea to form a one new team for the GPS Cartography, and to establish a new company. That was the mistake; I believe that I done something wrong they’re for someone. If, let say, I decide to start with nude dancers cabaret, everything will bee just fine. Contrary, I start engineering company.

Anyway… until I was legal alien there, EU law was on and I get opportunity to start a business there, so… I did that. By the rule of immigration offices and by the law (please, check out their web site) I got a chance (2005) to establish a company all “by the book” and to guarantee minimum incomes NETT 24.000 CYP per year, what is not too big amount for the good engineer.

So, we done everything by the book, we invest our money in the office, we invest money to the equipment, license… and so… but, 3 month later we get answer from immigration that it’s not enough, and we have to leave island.
Come on, that’s some mistake, we will put a complain… we done again ALL BY THE BOOK.
I was arrested, deported without the trial, court, even… officers who drive me to the airport was so surprised that I was thinking, all bee settled, very fast.
The point at that moment was, our lawyer already makes complain to the Supreme Court, we get case, date for the trial, but none cares… 5 days before the court, I was out of Cyprus and I couldn’t even explain what is going on.
In the meantime, the EU directive comes that all aliens within more than 5 years MUST BEE granted the long term permit residence. Good work, I believed.
No. The Cyprus immigration does not respect even their own low, what can I say about EU directives??

Nothing. Just look at us and all picture is clear enough.

The point is: we have two legal ways to bee resident there, one by the EU directive, and one by the Cyprus law about 3rd party citizens investment. Booth ways we should get long term resident, only immigration do not recognize the law and the EU directives.

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Postby andri_cy » Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:15 am

So there is a EU law aboout if you been in a EU country for 5 years or longer you get residency or like that right?
It sounds to me that your wife is heald unlawfully and u also were deported unlawfully. I would contact and international human rights court. I am sure that there are a lot of human rights lawyers that would want to work this pro bono. Your wife would then be eligible to be released upon her on recognaissance until trial is up. At which point I am sure the immigration people would lose. Have you explored the possibility of getting a different lawyer or a second opinion for that matter?
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Postby Zox » Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:10 pm

Yes, and i was deported unlawfully. Still no one cares ...
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Postby NeverSayGoodbye » Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:39 pm

Were you the one in the news?
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Postby joseph.k » Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:50 pm

Zox, forgive the open nature of this communication. Unfortunately, I have no choice since private messaging is "temporarily" disabled for new members. What i would have sent to you in a private message follows.

Sir,

I hope that you will not be offended by my decision to contact you directly rather than approach you in the context of the forum in which you have chosen to bring your plight to the attention of others.

I write for at least three reasons, the first of which is that I am naturally appalled and moved by the experiences that you, your wife and children have been forced to endure by representatives of the government of the Republic of Cyprus.

The second reason is that I have, over the five years during which I myself have lived - and continue to live - as an immigrant in Cyprus, been unable to deny the appearance of a consistent pattern of callousness, inhumane indifference and systematic failure at all levels of state machinery to implement the meaning of international treaties - to which the Cyprus government is a signatory - on behalf of immigrants on Cypriot soil.

It is with sadness and incredulity that I make the observation that the plight of your wife, yourself and your children is one of a considerable number of cases that are reported and unreported by an arbitrary, non-objective and tightly controlled media. And herein lies my third reason for contacting you: I have, perhaps belatedly, begun to understand that it may be precisely the fact that yours is one of a quantifiable number of cases, each of which is independent and complete in its own narrative but which shares clearly defined common themes with many others of its kind, that may be your strength.

I am currently attempting to find ways to assist other immigrants and political refugees that have been inexcusably and illegally shunned by the authorities of the Republic of Cyprus. During my efforts, a consistently recurring theme presents itself: the nature of the imbalance of the power against which you struggle. How is this imbalance manifested? I believe that a significant contributing factor to the imbalance of power that causes you such suffering is that you, or your family, as a social phenomenon, are " singly located". That is not to say, as my be commonly understood, that you or your family or immigrants in general can easily be "found"; rather, it is to make the observation that your own "power" - in this case, the degree to which you can make (by persuasion or other moral means) the authorities behave in your favour - does not extend or project beyond your single selves, as individuals, as a single family and as a single instance of unrecompensed state-sponsored injustice. For this reason - precisely this one I believe - the authorities of the Republic of Cyprus, from government ministers down to the least experienced immigration officer, feel no obligation to acknowledge your suffering in the terms and context that it deserves. As a result, in the absence of official recognition, officially sanctioned violations of international and national human rights laws occur in Cyprus on a daily basis.

The question arises, after having arrived at this point in my thinking, that is the same question that haunts your daily life: what can be done?

Perhaps you may have realised it already, but I shall make it clear from the outset so that you may not be under any illusion: I am not a professional in the field of immigration law, or any field of law. Neither am I an experienced "campaigner" in the field of human rights or any other grass-roots level political movement. I am a thinker and writer (I philosophise but cannot accept the name of "philosopher") presently living in Cyprus as an immigrant, though with the exceptional advantage of having a Cypriot-national as a wife. In recent years I have been studying certain ideas of witness, context and a rather abstract notion of comportment and how these forces are manipulated and shaped in modern, post-industrial societies. My thinking has led me to a consideration of forces of power in the modern state and how this power affects the body - the physical, psychological and social body and their expression (comportment). I have found myself unintentionally - at least at the outset - giving much time to considering the experiences and suffering of the weakest and most vulnerable in our societies: the sick, the mentally insane and those who otherwise do not belong, such as immigrants, asylum seekers and even naturalised citizens. Along the way that have tried to formulate concepts of single and multiple "locatedness" - one or more points of origin of influence that a single person or social body may have. According to these ideas, you and your family are singly located: the origin of your influence has only one point or source - yourselves. This is characteristic of many immigrants and asylum seekers (political, economic or otherwise) who find themselves on the wrong side of the power imbalance deployed by most modern states. Your power, as characterised by your abilities to make others (such as the authorities) behave in your favour, even against their own policy or rationale, can increase in accordance with your ability to increase the number of points of locatedness that you may draw upon: you must become "multiply located".

I fear I may have already lost your interest in your time of suffering by being so abstract in this message, but I may be able to offer you practical assistance, and that is after all my aim. You may achieve this multiple locatedness to which I refer in a rather simple way: by multiplying the number of material references to you and your family's plight. I would propose that this may be done, at least initially, by gathering, copying and publishing in various media whatever documentation you may have that serves as evidence of your suffering. Such documentation may include your visas, clearly showing their expiration dates (which are, as you have described, five years subsequent to the date they were first issued), any letters and communications (emails, faxes) that you have sent to official representatives illustrating in any ways your family's needs and predicament, any documentation you may have received concerning your denied petition to start up a cartography enterprise (a fact, in itself, that could prove the basis of a very extensive but separate discussion) - in short, absolutely any and all documentation that you may have retained that relates to your unhappy and unjust experiences in Cyprus. Having compiled this documentation, however tangentially related to your family's experiences, then it is necessary to duplicate it. The most efficient way, of course, would be to digitalise it. Though I believe it is possible to point to increasing digitalisation as being partly responsible for the injustice you have suffered, at least in this instance, you should attempt to use it against those who implicitly deploy it against you. By scanning the documentation and storing it securely in more than one place (I may be able to offer you secure online storage for this documentation), you will be able to disseminate the evidence of your experiences at the hands of the Cypriot authorities with ease. You may begin to see how we can use this practical act dissemination to increase the number of points of origin of your influence and so help to push you as quickly as possibly into a state of multiple locatedness.

With the gathered documentation scanned onto computer and stored both locally and remotely, the next task would be to select routes of least resistance. You will no doubt agree that the authorities of the Republic of Cyprus are in fact the route of greatest resistance: one finds oneself, in almost every case, wondering if the authorities of the Cypriot state will even reply to your communications and petitions - the question of whether or not their response will be constructive is entirely moot (and negative). I suggest, therefore, that though the Republic of Cyprus is responsible for your suffering, you may in reality find more redress by seeking the help of organised, experienced and high profile advocates: Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, the European Council on Refugees and Exiles, StateWatch, the Electronic Immigration Network, the European Immigration Lawyers Group (though their website is a little out-of-date since the expansion of the EU to 25 memebers). In addition, there are elements in the traditional press and broadcasting that are naturally inclined to sympathise with your plight, such as the British BBC, Greek-national left-wing daily newspapers, British-national left-leaning newspapers. These entities have a particular place in the official Greek-Cypriot consciousness and the stories they cover often and quickly find their way into the Greek-Cypriot news network.

There are, however, two more factors to build-in to this sort of plan of action. With digitalised documentation, and having disemminated it to high profile advocacy groups and other sympathetic and internationally renowned "news" amplifiers such as the BBC, it would be important to inform the Cypriot authorities of your actions. Every email, every letter, every fax that is sent, every interview (and hopefully there will be a number) that is given, every website that carries your story - all of these should be copied in detail and sent by email, post and fax to officials of the Cyprus government, at national and local level. These will provide supplements to emails, reports and stories sent and carried by organistations such as Human Rights Watch, the European Immigration Lawyers Group and the like. The aim will be to make the Cypriot authorities aware - even if they do not officially acknowledge it - that they are not any longer dealing with a single family, a single father's passionate petition and a few interested but inactive sympathetic citizens, such as those who frequent the forum on which you have aired your story. Once the authorities begin to understand that they are dealing with tens, perhaps hundreds, of individuals, organisations, groups and other parties, including international media outlets, then they may begin to feel the pressure of multiple locatedness. At that point, you will no longer be alone and singly located.

At the end of this overlong message, I would like to offer you, sir, practical support. If I have not alientated you with my theorising, I would like to offer what few skills and whatever time I have in helping to raise your profile and put pressure on the unjust authorities of Cyprus. For example, I earn my living (barely) as an experienced Unix programmer and administrator here in Cyprus. I have access to server hosts on which it would be possible to quickly and effectively write websites and email programs that would be able to do very real and effective activities on an automated basis, such as sending a copy of every email that is sent from its domain to the Cypriot authorities - and repeating this process every day, perhaps several times a day. Records of all communications would be logged and an inventory of your efforts and rebuttals would build up, providing you with yet more evidence with which to petition for help from sympathetic advocate individuals and organisations. I must make plain that I have no money that I can offer in support (I have four young children of my own and a very poor salary, as do many here in Cyprus) and, as I have noted, I am not a professional campaigner or even an experienced one. I am merely an average citizen who has arrived at a point at which I believe something must be done, that the Cypriot authorities must be brought to account.

Again, forgive me the length of this message and its theoretical tone. There is much that I have not said in the interest of addressing your urgent need for help. If you are willing for me to be involved and offer whatever I may able to give, please email me at the address below with an update on the detention of your wife to begin with along with any information that you believe to be of immediate and urgent relevance. After that, I believe we should begin with a detailed review of what documentation you may have in your possession and may be able to obtain with a view to bringing to an end your wife's illegal detention. If you choose to email me, I will first send you my public encryption key which you can use so that from that point onwards we may exchange sensitive information securely. Once you have my public key, I shall send you my personal telephone number.

I look forward to reading your reply. May I presume no more than to urge you to be strong and not succumb to the discouragement you endure. It would be my privilege if I were able to help - even in the smallest way - to alleviate some of the pain you suffer.

Many kind regards and in solidarity,

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Postby Zox » Sat Mar 18, 2006 8:05 pm

12th day in prison, still our kids are home alone…

Great human community… what to say?

Cypriots are not like that, I know them… what is going on???
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