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[Natty]

Hey, I was browsing the web the other day and I came across another forum on the 'Cyprus problem', I read some of the posts and found that some members, well two mainly, beleive very strongly that all GC's hate the Tc's and that a gennocide was, committed agains't the TC's, thus the Turkish Invasion was a peace 'plan' to stop the gennocide. When I mentioned about the intercommunal fighting I recieved this reply,

"You got it wrong again. The Greeks and the GCs were doing the killing and we TCs defended ourselves. There's a biiiiiig difference in killing to genocide because they wanted ENOSIS and killing in order to survive and save the lives of youe loved ones and your fellow countrymen.
Intercommunal fighting my arse. It was an all out war on us Turkish Cypriots. The GCs and the Greeks wanted to genocide us and ethnically cleanse Cyprus of it's Turkish Cypriot citizens so that the murdering GCs and Greeks could have their ENOSIS. If you call that "Intercommunal fighting" then you need your head examined. "

Obviously thats his opinion, and no one knows exactly what happened, but I suppose what i'm trying to say is, in your opinion, will the two communitites really every truly trust each other? And how do you think we could start to build bridges?

I'd love to know what people think...I mean from what I can see, one of the major problems, in the Cyprus 'problem' is the issue of trust....

Peace!

[Viewpoint]

I agree totally and have put this arguement forward before, that the trust issue is a major barrier to solving our problems. But this arguement was of course refuted by our resident oracle and other hardliners as being just excuses created by TCs not to accept human rights and democracy, asking for superhuman rights as one contributor put it. If I dont trust someone I ask hundreds of questions to eleviate my concerns and still feel unsecure but if I trust someone 100% then I can confidently move forward without questioning every little detail. This is what happens here in Cyprus between our communities, we ask for safety valves and question every GC move as we do not trust their intentions. This will not be improved until both sides take measures that reflect positively on our communities and this has been far from evident over the past 2.5 years.

[miltiades]

Viewpoint you are correct on the trust issue in view of past events , I have stated many times that I do not trust Turkey , but have never said that of my Cypriot brothers the T/Cs .I think a lot more interacting between both communities will have to take place in order that both of our people will realize, just as I have , that atrocities committed in the past must be now put to rest . The extremists and the fanatics must not be allowed to ruin Cyprus. I wish the Cypriot government would initiate fresh discussions with Mr Talat in an atmosphere of good will and cooperation needed to achieve the utmost .
We , all Cypriots, must accept responsibility for the horrific events since the 60s , blaming the other side for all the troubles further prohibits the advance of trust between our communities.
From my part , considering that all Cypriots are my countrymen , I offer my apologies for the crimes committed by extremists of both communities .
I have always blamed the "motherlands " issues , and particularly the intense propaganda against the Cypriot identity.

[Viewpoint]

Unfortunately, you are a minority.

[miltiades]

Not for long .There are more and more voices in support of our Cypriot identity , more true Cypriots are voicing their discontent with the current ideology that sets us part.
Even on this forum the number is on the increase .

[Viewpoint]

who? THE Kifeas's and Piratis's are in the majority and as long as they continue to pump their ideology into people who follow like sheep you have no chance of gaining ground on seeing Tc as you equals, we will always be viewed by the majority of GC as just another minority who want superhuman rights in order to ruin the GC dream and we all know how you treat minorities in the south second class.

[Kikapu]

who? THE Kifeas's and Piratis's are in the majority and as long as they continue to pump their ideology into people who follow like sheep you have no chance of gaining ground on seeing Tc as you equals, we will always be viewed by the majority of GC as just another minority who want superhuman rights in order to ruin the GC dream and we all know how you treat minorities in the south second class.

Just before I leave home to fly to London for the weekend, can I ask the question, particularly to Piratis and Kifeas, and maybe even Soto. Are you all a "hired gun" by the ROC to represent the governments views on this forum, because it seems you're all to be reading from the same script of "talking points". If not, my apologies in advance.

[Piratis]

Viewpoint you are correct on the trust issue in view of past events , I have stated many times that I do not trust Turkey , but have never said that of my Cypriot brothers the T/Cs .I think a lot more interacting between both communities will have to take place in order that both of our people will realize, just as I have , that atrocities committed in the past must be now put to rest . The extremists and the fanatics must not be allowed to ruin Cyprus. I wish the Cypriot government would initiate fresh discussions with Mr Talat in an atmosphere of good will and cooperation needed to achieve the utmost .
We , all Cypriots, must accept responsibility for the horrific events since the 60s , blaming the other side for all the troubles further prohibits the advance of trust between our communities.
From my part , considering that all Cypriots are my countrymen , I offer my apologies for the crimes committed by extremists of both communities .
I have always blamed the "motherlands " issues , and particularly the intense propaganda against the Cypriot identity.

I agree 100% with what Miltiades said above. Most Greek Cypriots agree. So why do you say he is the minority Viewpoint???

Who are the minority are those that support the racist separation and discrimination of Cypriots based on their ethnic background in a "solution" modeled after South Africas apartheid, and not those that support what I and Miltiades support: A Cyprus for all Cypriots without foreign interventions.

Just before I leave home to fly to London for the weekend, can I ask the question, particularly to Piratis and Kifeas, and maybe even Soto. Are you all a "hired gun" by the ROC to represent the governments views on this forum, because it seems you're all to be reading from the same script of "talking points". If not, my apologies in advance.

Kikapu, I am sorry you dropped to such a pathetic level. You should ask such questions to those that what they say represents almost no Greek Cypriots. Do you know that the party that fully supported the Annan plan received only 1.5% in the elections and didn't even get 1 seat in the parliament? Therefore you should wonder were all these GCs Annan supporters come from, since if they were indeed as many as indicated by this forum then EDI should have received 20%+ and not 1.5%.

The fact is, that if in this forum we had a representative sample of the GC population you would see a lot more Piratis, Kifeas etc, and a lot less despos, Bananiots, webmagus etc.

[Viewpoint]

Viewpoint you are correct on the trust issue in view of past events , I have stated many times that I do not trust Turkey , but have never said that of my Cypriot brothers the T/Cs .I think a lot more interacting between both communities will have to take place in order that both of our people will realize, just as I have , that atrocities committed in the past must be now put to rest . The extremists and the fanatics must not be allowed to ruin Cyprus. I wish the Cypriot government would initiate fresh discussions with Mr Talat in an atmosphere of good will and cooperation needed to achieve the utmost .
We , all Cypriots, must accept responsibility for the horrific events since the 60s , blaming the other side for all the troubles further prohibits the advance of trust between our communities.
From my part , considering that all Cypriots are my countrymen , I offer my apologies for the crimes committed by extremists of both communities .
I have always blamed the "motherlands " issues , and particularly the intense propaganda against the Cypriot identity.

I agree 100% with what Miltiades said above. Most Greek Cypriots agree. So why do you say he is the minority Viewpoint???

Who are the minority are those that support the racist separation and discrimination of Cypriots based on their ethnic background in a "solution" modeled after South Africas apartheid, and not those that support what I and Miltiades support: A Cyprus for all Cypriots without foreign interventions.

Then why is that we cannot show the tollerance ,understanding and compromise necessary to come together under one united Cyprus. Please save me the human rights and democracy sermon that goes without saying but their are different shades everything is not always black and white.
Piratis you are a person who always pursues majority rule which for us is fraught with dangers of being dominated and becoming second class citizens in our own country. The most important issues for me are having a say in my future (political balance) and security. The settlers, army, land issues you can be sure TCs will be very flexible on.

[Piratis]

Then why is that we cannot show the tollerance ,understanding and compromise necessary to come together under one united Cyprus. Please save me the human rights and democracy sermon that goes without saying but their are different shades everything is not always black and white.

Yes Viewpoint, there are different shades. You can have dark green, light green, glossy green etc. But red is not a shade of green.

Inequality of citizens based on their ethnic background does not belong to any "shade" of democracy. Do you know ANY other democratic country in the whole world were citizens are separated based on their ethnic background, language or religion?

Also you can not have a "shade" of human rights, were the basic human rights do not exist.

Therefore we are flexible, but not as flexible as to accept something undemocratic and against human rights because it suits you better that way.