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[MicAtCyp]

I think I might have asked this before, but could someone copy/paste here the part of the plan about settlers ? I really need to understand this issue better, before I proceed further with my research.

I understand your confusion my friend.Actually the Anan plan was designed deliberately to cause confusion on this (and many other) matters. You ask for a copy-paste but how can I do it when they removed the relevant part and they put it inside the law concerning the citizenship? As you know ONLY the 182 pages were ever made available online. The laws (about 20,000 pages) are not available in any other form other than a hard copy. ...

Anyway to save you some time I tell you that this part WAS included in version 3. In version 5 they removed all the important parts except the "attracting" number of 45K and put it in the laws for citizenship. If you want me to paste you from version 3 then I will to it tomorrow.

Nothing changed really.Just a snicky method to hide the truth....

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Every settler in the north rightnow has TRNC citizenship, end they get to vote every election. IF there were 100k settler in the north right now, then approximately half of teh TRNC parliment should have been settler

TurkCyp, I never talk without evidence. The number of settlers in the North at the time of referendum was 110-120K and the number of TCs was 70-80K. FULLSTOP. Do you want me to prove it to you?

Brother, sorry, I read very carefully the past posts of Turkcyp about the settlers and I really found them very-very interesting.
But what I say does not come from propaganda.It is the truth.

Metecyp that was not a statement! Ii was a substantiated point.Please explain me why your leadership behaved that way before we even got started .

[Alexandros Lordos]

Its called GC propaganda, they lie and then believe their own lies, but i have changed my stance i say BRING MORE SETTLERS, let them live there forever.

Hey, brother, I thought we are all in this together ...

If you believe that I/we/Greek Cypriots are misinformed, please enlighten me/us ... it is not very friendly to resort to statements like the one you made above, and I like to believe that we are friends.

GCs have their own concerns and sensitive spots about a solution, like you have yours. The settlers issue is one of them. If you disagree with our arguments, please use counter-arguments, not attacks ...

[Alexandros Lordos]

MicAtCyp,

thanks for the clarifications ...

By the way, I do know of a link on-line where one can read the whole of the Annan Plan (all 20,000 pages) in separate pdf files for each individual law ... you can find it at www.cyprus-un-plan.org

[erolz]

TurkCyp, I never talk without evidence. The number of settlers in the North at the time of referendum was 110-120K and the number of TCs was 70-80K. FULLSTOP. Do you want me to prove it to you?

How can you talk abpout these numbers without a definition of your terms (who is settler etc)? Even if you had defined your terms, how could you possibly know these numbers as FACT? Yes I would like to see your 'proof'.

[pantelis]

Speaking about votes in America?

http://www.freepress.org/departments/di ... 9/2004/986

[turkcyp]

TurkCyp, I never talk without evidence. The number of settlers in the North at the time of referendum was 110-120K and the number of TCs was 70-80K. FULLSTOP. Do you want me to prove it to you?

As usual, you are full of it.

Please proove it to me then. But the only math I believe in is the one that says 2+2=4. Not the kind where you pull bunnies out of the hat.

Take care,

[brother]

what you got against bunnies

[MicAtCyp]

Alexandre, I went there but there is no link for the laws.The full text is only those 182 pages.Can you enlighten me?

To the rest of the members about the number of settlers.
I define them the same way the Anan Plan defines them, i.e anyone who is not a TC or a decendant of TC according to the official records of 1963, and anyone who cannot get citizenship through marriage with any of the above. Who however WANTS to stay here permanently with full citizenship rights. Do we agree on the definition to continue yes or no?

[MicAtCyp]

If your answer to this is yes do we agree that the number of TCs in 1963 was 120K and remained the same until 1974 yes or no.
Then do we agree that AT LEAST 1/3 of the TCs emigrated abroad from 1974 until today yes or No?
If we agree with that the rest is plain maths.

[Alexandros Lordos]

MicAtCyp,

from the home page of the site, follow the links as follows:

text > laws > full text > Annex III

There you will find about 200 different PDF files, which are the various federal laws of the plan which the technical committees prepared. (i.e. the bulk of the 20,000 pages)

If you discover anything interesting, tell us ... I would be very curious to know.

I wish I had time to read all that stuff myself, but ...