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[Natty]

Hey, Enosis, was a legitimate form of self determination, supported back in the day, by the majority of the GC's. The idea was very popular at a time when other regions, Islands, with a numerically Greek Majority and in most cases a numerically Turkish minority, were joining together to form modern Greece. You have to remember that Cypriots fought on mainland Greece during the 1821 independence struggle, and that, as a country Cyprus had never really been independent. However, in my opinion, The idea of 'enosis' was not handled correctly, one of the main problems being the exclusion, to a certain extent, of the Turkish minority..Another being that the leaders of EOKA tended to be right wing anti communists nationalists...however I can completely understand why people wanted 'enosis', and I do not think that it was for sinister reasons, to, for example, 'annihilate the Turkish Cypriots' as has been suggested...I'm, personally, glad that Cyprus never became part of Greece, (No offence to anyone from Greece, but I guess I just like Cyprus being independent..) and I can't wait for the day when we don't need these forums anymore (well maybe not need them anymore, maybe just that the 'Cyprus problem' thread no longer existed! )...When Cyprus is truly unified fairly...

Peace!

[laptanige]

It is this mentality that brought the division of the island! The slave mentality!
Turkey also claims that there is no Cypriot Nation! There is South Greek Part and the North Turkish Part .There are Greeks and Turks on the island who share nothing in common and have 2 distinct ethnicities.

Turkey also claims that there is no ROC but the GC administration. And the country ROC does not even exist!


It is readiculous to see people suporting Turkeish propaganda by claiming that we are not Cypriots but Greeks. This is exactly what the Turksih Policy is arguing to confirm and seal the division of the island.

What determines Nationality are International Agreemenst and not history, language or religion.

PLEASE SEE www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=74 ... light=tree

[Kozza]

Cool Photo!

But again, it's too late to go back. Confederacy is the only way forward. Enlightened TCs have come to recognize this reality. Many GCs still think they can turn back history. It ain't gonna happen! I agree with Viewpoint that the Turks have learnt to live with the difficulties brought about by isolation, but at least they feel secure. Besides, they lived in enclaves pre-1974 anyway. My grandmother had to wear black when she left the village so that her family wouldn't be harrassed at checkpoints. We've come a long way since then!

[Kifeas]

Cool Photo!

But again, it's too late to go back. Confederacy is the only way forward. Enlightened TCs have come to recognize this reality. Many GCs still think they can turn back history. It ain't gonna happen! I agree with Viewpoint that the Turks have learnt to live with the difficulties brought about by isolation, but at least they feel secure. Besides, they lived in enclaves pre-1974 anyway. My grandmother had to wear black when she left the village so that her family wouldn't be harrassed at checkpoints. We've come a long way since then!

Kozza, you are not a citizen of this country, and your views do not count!

Those that are going to decide are the people of this country! No one cares about your views and ideas! You are irrelevant!

Since you now live in California, deal with your local problems and issues there, and do not get involved with us and our problems, in the same way that we do not get involved with yours! You know nothing of this place, its people, its history and its problem! Please do not waste our time! You are here only to make propaganda!

I repeat again, you are irrelevant (your views!)

[Kozza]

Kifeas,

You are rude and arrogant! The reason for the impasse is because of bigots on both sides like you. Don't forget that Italian descendants living in the US stopped the Communists from winning the elections in Italy after WWII after a sustained and successful CIA campaign of getting Italian-Americans to write to their famies back home urging them not to vote communist. Whether this was right or wrong it worked.

So don't say my views are irrelevant. I've lived and worked in Cyprus long enough to understand the cultures, history, and problems.

[Piratis]

Greek Cypriots had been slaves of others and had been oppressed for many centuries. The British and the Turks were the two last "empires" that enslaved us.

As Natty said, union with Greece was a legitimate way of expressing our self determination. If Cyprus was uniting with Greece it would be no different than any other Greek island or area that joined the Greek state after it was liberated from the Ottomans or the other colonialists. In fact Cyprus had been under the Ottomans for less time than most parts of Greece. So how is Cyprus different than lets say Crete or Rhodos in this respect?

The only difference is that Cyprus had never been fully liberated, with British and Turkish troops still occupying parts of our island until today.

I am not saying that a true independence could not be another form of liberation. Personally I much prefer Independence than being a far district of Greece. I also understand why union with Greece is not something that TCs would like, which is another reason that a true independence would be the ideal solution. However as it is proved Cyprus is too small and weak to manage to protect itself alone against the colonialists and its aggressive neighbors that all want part of Cyprus for themselves. In our hostile region it is close to impossible for a small independent state to survive. This is one of the reasons we joined the EU recently.

[Kozza]

Piratis,

Thanks for that. I can understand GC reasons for joining the EU. It's a shame the north couldn't join with you so that the whole Island could enjoy real independence. The A Plan is not acceptable to most GCs and I understand that. I just can't see a viable alternative for the future

[Kifeas]

Kifeas,

You are rude and arrogant!

And you are a Turkish propaganda mouthpiece that has no clue of what he is talking about, but only to throw slogans and post clishes in an arrogant manner!

The reason for the impasse is because of bigots on both sides like you.

The reason for the impasse is because of the unethical politics of your home country which pampers the chauvinist and fascist military regime that governs Turkey for decades now, in the expense of the Turkish people and their neighbors, just because it (US) believes it serves better their imperialist interests in the region as a regional cop, together with Israel.

Don't forget that Italian descendants living in the US stopped the Communists from winning the elections in Italy after WWII after a sustained and successful CIA campaign of getting Italian-Americans to write to their famies back home urging them not to vote communist. Whether this was right or wrong it worked.

Irrelevant nonsense!

So don't say my views are irrelevant. I've lived and worked in Cyprus long enough to understand the cultures, history, and problems.

You are clueless! You judge thinks from a clearly Turkish propaganda perspective, and from the interests of the country in which you currently reside! The only thing you are competent in providing so far in the forums is mere slogans, full of authoritarian and arbitrary pro Turkish propaganda clichés!

[Piratis]

Thanks for that. I can understand GC reasons for joining the EU. It's a shame the north couldn't join with you so that the whole Island could enjoy real independence.

The whole island joined EU. In fact TCs can get their RoC passport and enjoy all the benefits of being EU citizens. Many have done so, including relatives of Denctash.

The occupied part of Cyprus is temporarily de facto not controlled by RoC (and EU), but this will change once the occupation ends.

[Kifeas]

Confederacy is the only way forward.

Slogans, slogans, slogans!
Do you know the meaning of confederacy? Can you provide a definition? Can you give me an example of such a country?

Enlightened TCs have come to recognize this reality.

Slogans, slogans, slogans!
Yea? Can you tell me one such "enlightened" TC? Is Rauf Denktash an enlightened TC? Is Talat one of them?

Many GCs still think they can turn back history. It ain't gonna happen!

More slogans!
Explain what do you mean by that?

I agree with Viewpoint that the Turks have learnt to live with the difficulties brought about by isolation, but at least they feel secure.

And the usual propaganda cliché!