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[humanist]

Kartal Aetos I have read your post before and commented positively about it. I really trully support your Solution. However, I think most Cypriots don't want to see a solution as they may have to step out of their victim roles, and this is too radical of an idea to be valued.

[Viewpoint]

Aren't you people being very one sided who hurled the initial abuse, shouldn't you all be attacking him in the same way. We have all read this persons posts in the past and shahmaran is not the first person he has hurled abuse at and received abuse back this is a natural defence mechanism of anyone being attacked by morons who cant put forward valid arguments but only verbal diarrhoea.

Ease up shahmaran obviously he has a lot to share with us and given the chance I'm pretty certain he will make a very positive contribution.

shahmaran in time you will learn for yourself who the hardliners are those GCs that you would never share a loaf of bread with let alone a country.

Stay in there....

[Piratis]

exagerate? how is my education less objective than yours? does it not ever cross your mind that u might have been educated with the same strategy? how was a minority with no real army supposed to try ethnically clens greeks from the island?

I wouldn't say that I am 100% objective, but I am trying. Are you?

You said: "mass graves we found with half dead women and children beneath every village"

If that is not a huge exaggeration then what is it? During the intercommunal conflict a few hundred TCs and an about equal number of GCs got killed. The conflict was not contacted between armies but between paramilitaries. Nobody has informed you about TMT?
Then in 1974 6000 GCs got killed, and only a few 100s of TCs.

So how come there are "mass graves in every village" of TCs while the GCs, who had multiple the amount of victims do not have such mass graves in every village. Just admit you are exaggerating because there is really no point in not admitting it.

you say we have been torturing you for 32 years, but up until 74 it was us who were getting tortured by you for many years and even tho the violence has stopped the hate is still there wether its in cyprus or greece, u know we have a very long history.

We have tortured you as much as you have tortured us during the intercomunal conflict. Unfortunately you have been taught only one half of the story during that period. The violence has not stopped. Our refugees are still denied at gun point access to their own homes. A few months ago some refugee was arrested for simply cutting a flower from his own home which was illegally occupied by some foreigner. The occupation is kept illegally and forcefully by 40.000 Turkish troops.

u might just be missing some land and property but we have been robbed of our lives. dont u think we know we were better off without the intervention on the island where we lived in a recognized country with some kind of future and chance to prosper? why would we choose to live as we do right now?

If you, the 140.000 TCs, feel that you have been robed of your lives, then you have to ask the 200.000 GC refugees how they feel. The difference is that our refugees have no choice in the crime that is committed against them, while on the other hand you support this crime and illegality, and then you complain about the concequences.

u blame me for having this evil greek image but u seem to have exactly the same but opposite version in your mind, that us turks just go around taking ppls stuff, drive them off their land and then laugh about it while drinking raki lol

When I talk I talk about the official Turkish state. In Cyprus, unfortunately, thats what Turkey is doing.

the massgraves are not exagerations, i have seen hundreds of documents and pictures of them, and if you say that they have all been fabricated just to serve this big turkish agenda and im brought up to hate you for that reason, then i must be living some kind of a conspiracy

Well, lets see. Some 100s of TCs and GCs have died during the intercommunal conflict. Then some 100s of TCs and some 1000s of GCs have died in 1974. Now if those 100s of TCs have been buried in 100s of graves, then that means those graves were not mass ones. It is logically impossible to bury some 100s of people in several 100s of mass graves. I hoped you would question what they teach you, especially when it doesn't even make sense.

The truth about this is that a few mass graves of both TCs and GCs exist. So lets stop with the super exaggerations.

my village was one of the only villages that was mainly turkish and who managed to fight and keep the greeks out up until the turks came

Sure, I guess they had to find a story to explain to you how you exist if they told you that there were mass graves of TCs in every village.

everyone still remembers the buses full of greeks raiding the place, not even soldiers but civilians, most of my family fought there too, surely they cant all be lying can they?

Can you please tell me the exact date of the events and the village?

i personally believe that we have both been put into this situation, as u say, by foreign forces who manipulate all of us to serve their own purpose, we have what 5 differnt armies in a tiny little island? its not the first time the english have used you against us is it? in turkish we have a saying, if 2 ppl fight over something the 3rd will take it......and so the story goes hehehe

I agree with this, except from the part that the English have used us against you. In fact it was the exact opposite. The English have used TCs as policemen to fight the GC fighters that fought against the colonialists between 55-59.

[zan]

Glafcos Clerides, now the President of the Greek Cypriots, said at the time "we the Greek Cypriots are in full control of the Government. All the Ministers are Greeks. Our government is the only one recognised internationally - why should we bring the Turks back in? The Turks today control only 3% of the land. They have no rich resources and they are living through difficult times from an economic point of view. They will ultimately have to accept our point of view - or go."

Give up on the numbers Piratis they make no difference even if they were true what was true is the statement made above.

[zan]

3% of the land

Hope that clears things up for Kifeas and pyro as well.

[Viewpoint]

Piratis

Then in 1974 6000 GCs got killed, and only a few 100s of TCs.

Wheres the independent data to back this up??

[miltiades]

VP , spot on again .
""shahmaran in time you will learn for yourself who the hardliners are those GCs that you would never share a loaf of bread with let alone a country""

You really are a G/C hater aren't you . I will gladly share a drink and a loaf of bread with you , I seem to recall asking you on at least 2 occasions to meet up and have a drink. Not you ! You are so full of hate for your fellow Cypriots and ready to support vulgarities provided they are aimed at a G/C.The individual who posted a Finger and got a reply from your trainee , is one that I refuse to enter into any debate as I consider him to be a bloody nuisance for the Cypriot cause just as you and your apprentice are.

[Viewpoint]

VP , spot on again .
""shahmaran in time you will learn for yourself who the hardliners are those GCs that you would never share a loaf of bread with let alone a country""

You really are a G/C hater aren't you . I will gladly share a drink and a loaf of bread with you , I seem to recall asking you on at least 2 occasions to meet up and have a drink. Not you ! You are so full of hate for your fellow Cypriots and ready to support vulgarities provided they are aimed at a G/C.The individual who posted a Finger and got a reply from your trainee , is one that I refuse to enter into any debate as I consider him to be a bloody nuisance for the Cypriot cause just as you and your apprentice are.

He is a GC who does not conceal his real feelings like many who imo are more dangerous but on this occassion shahmaran was only responding like anyone else would do under such verbal abuse.

You will be surprised to know I have GC friends that I have no problems sharing my bread with but I believe they are a minority or do not reveal their true identity which may I say slips form time to time, given the chance would I want to share a country with some of the people on here my answer would be definitely NO. I would rather stay as an unrecognized TRNC with all its problems that try to form a partnership with people who would rather shoot me in the back at the first opportunity, just take a deep breath and think about that TCs today have the choice and choose the TRNC in its current state every time over the "RoC" where the so called "Cypriots" live.

[zan]

VP , spot on again .
""shahmaran in time you will learn for yourself who the hardliners are those GCs that you would never share a loaf of bread with let alone a country""

You really are a G/C hater aren't you . I will gladly share a drink and a loaf of bread with you , I seem to recall asking you on at least 2 occasions to meet up and have a drink. Not you ! You are so full of hate for your fellow Cypriots and ready to support vulgarities provided they are aimed at a G/C.The individual who posted a Finger and got a reply from your trainee , is one that I refuse to enter into any debate as I consider him to be a bloody nuisance for the Cypriot cause just as you and your apprentice are.

Bananiot and Kifeas met.....what did happen there i wonder. GC haters????What do you guys do as soon as a decent person like Bananiot actually decides to speak up? Or Charolambous or Humanist.....You call them all the names under the sun like Turk lovers. If not love then what..........Haaaaaaate!

[andri_cy]

But I don't hate anyone Zan...
I told them both to stop with the names and start arguing with arguments.
Posting a hand flipping a bird was bad enough, then came the vulgar language then people started talking about how they hate each other....How sad...