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CYPRUS CONFLICT SOLUTION

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

TWO STATES OR ONE?

Poll ended at Fri Mar 02, 2007 3:50 pm

TWO
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25%
ONE
15
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Total votes : 20

Postby Viewpoint » Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:39 pm

bill cobbett wrote:Oh dear. Far too many members see this all as some kind of bargaining at a bazaar or kasbah. It goes in small steps along the lines of you've got something I want and if you give it to me then I'll give you something that you want and so on. It real terms it goes something like this; I'll agree you can use Tympou/Ercan if you give me back Varosha and so on. Members of the northern community will forgive me if I say that some of the bargaining chips have been got by the force of arms and don't have the value they seem to have.

In any event where are you going? What is the ultimate destination in these approaches? I suspect the goal is unclear. I would suggest you run the good risk of going up a blind alley, in the dark, on a foggy night and without headlights.

I would say again that the end product, the final destination is what is important and should be stated first and I for one would insist again that this must be based on the fundamental human rights that you will all be familiar with.


If you had referred to my earlier questions aimed at you specifcally you would have realized the 2 options open to TCs according to your Eu fundamental rights...trying answering the question levied at you then we might take you seriously.
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:43 pm

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155. Again, if the purpose of a settlement of the Cyprus question is to be the preservation rather than the destruction of the State, and if it is to foster rather than to militate against the development of a peacefully united people, I cannot help wondering whether the physical division of the minority from the majority should not be considered a desperate step in the wrong direction. I am reluctant to believe, as the Turkish-Cypriot leadership claims, in the "impossibility" of Greek-Cypriots and Turkish-Cypriots learning to live together again in peace. In those parts of the country where movement controls have been relaxed and tensions reduced, they are already proving other- wise.


A quote from The UN mediator Gala Plaza's report on Cyprus, 1965.

That's what I pin my hopes on, that one day, we will live in peace together again...something a UN Mediator who was stationed in Cyprus at the time of the troubles, believed was possible....

Peace. :)


So thats ok then just because a UN mediator says so?, great logic Batty :wink:


Thanks VP :) ;), yup just because a UN mediator said it, he was there, he witnessed many things...it's pretty obvious that as tensions relaxed most people just tried to get on with their lives, and that meant living together like they always had done...without problems, and hopefully that's going to happen again one day, that's all I'm saying..it's nice to have a bit of hope...


Peace! :)


Ho great that changes everything then....
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Postby bill cobbett » Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:58 pm

Viewpoint wrote:If you had referred to my earlier questions aimed at you specifcally you would have realized the 2 options open to TCs according to your Eu fundamental rights...trying answering the question levied at you then we might take you seriously.


I think you'll find old chap that I have answered your points. I suggest you may wish to go back and see my posts. So naturally, it follows but I fear it may come as a tremendous surprise to you that I am not in the least bit concerned as to your ill-based, ill-motivated accusations as to the seriousness or otherwise of my postings.

I also suspect that you may wish to rephrase the word we that I have highlighted in your post. What "we" is this? Some kind of Royal wee? The whole northern community? The whole Turkish nation?
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:59 pm

Pyrpolizer
Viewpoint it WILL NEVER HAPPEN. Not only because you are a minority but also because the occupied is mostly GC property. If it were only the minority issue perhaps after a 100 years yes, adding the property issue it becomes never.


Just the Aborigines and Native Americans you will get compensation and some land back end of in 100 years time no one will even remember what all the fuss was about and you guys woudl have lost the opportunity to act positively to bring the 2 sides together.

Demand your return to your 1960 rights damn it nobody can deny you that. Then negotiate the best deal, within a month you will be TC district of the United Republic of Cyprus, with full benefits and full responsibility of the State (mainly the GCs) for your wellfare, rehousing if necessary etc. You will have your own President who will also be vice president of UCR.


A TC district under GC rule at there mercy and whim against the current unrecognized TRNC, no match the TRNC wins....The 1960 agreemtnst didnt work it was the GC who wanted them changed with the 13 points now you have changed your minds and say thats the only way forward, for god sakes make your minds up, how long will it take you to submitt another 13 points to the EU to dilute and even remove our rights, a week at most.

Leave the sentiments and pride aside forget about nationalism, you really hold the key.


The same sentence can be directed at your own community.

Your leaders know it, in fact when they will run out of any other options this is what they will do. They are just holding you prisoners for some more years!


No one is trying to break out, they dont have to they are free to go anywhere they wish, even south to the " RoC" GC run state.

If I were a TC I would most propably want partition like you. But I believe I would be clever enough to see the real way out.



This a typical Pyro statement stronger wiser faster.......

Mark my words the final solution will be as I described it above. It is a pity to waste more years from peoples lives for the obvious! It will still be a sort of BBF. All your fears and demands for security will be all there…. Need to say more? YOU hold the key.


As zan as quite rightly said both sides hold the key, only thing is yours fits the lock not our we have tried......as long as there in no change in stance from your leaders to show TCs that a united Cyprus is better than the TRNC then you have no chance of changing the current situation, do me a favor and before you came back with a barrage of calculated responses just for a few minutes think about what I am saying, everything you see fit for yourself I want nothing more nothing less........
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:02 am

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Viewpoint wrote:If you had referred to my earlier questions aimed at you specifcally you would have realized the 2 options open to TCs according to your Eu fundamental rights...trying answering the question levied at you then we might take you seriously.


I think you'll find old chap that I have answered your points. I suggest you may wish to go back and see my posts. So naturally, it follows but I fear it may come as a tremendous surprise to you that I am not in the least bit concerned as to your ill-based, ill-motivated accusations as to the seriousness or otherwise of my postings.

I also suspect that you may wish to rephrase the word we that I have highlighted in your post. What "we" is this? Some kind of Royal wee? The whole northern community? The whole Turkish nation?


Try a few of the posters on this forum zan, shah, mrfromng,...I think that warrants a we dont you :wink:

Ill now go look for mind boggling response....I wish.

Cant find it can would you be so kind as to give me the link?
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Postby bill cobbett » Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:22 am

Certainly constitutes a "we" in the plural sense but does not I would say "warrant" it. I would thank you for the compliment when you describe my posts as "mind-boggling". Suggest you try just a little harder to look amongst the posts that so impressed you.
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:24 am

bill cobbett wrote:Certainly constitutes a "we" in the plural sense but does not I would say "warrant" it. I would thank you for the compliment when you describe my posts as "mind-boggling". Suggest you try just a little harder to look amongst the posts that so impressed you.


a link would be good ...otherwise I will miss it, if its there at all.
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Postby bill cobbett » Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:33 am

Assure you they are there. I can only say with regret that perhaps either you don't want to find them or that you are unable to comprehend them. I will give you a clue, they appear soon after your posts.
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Postby Natty » Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:48 am

Viewpoint wrote:
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155. Again, if the purpose of a settlement of the Cyprus question is to be the preservation rather than the destruction of the State, and if it is to foster rather than to militate against the development of a peacefully united people, I cannot help wondering whether the physical division of the minority from the majority should not be considered a desperate step in the wrong direction. I am reluctant to believe, as the Turkish-Cypriot leadership claims, in the "impossibility" of Greek-Cypriots and Turkish-Cypriots learning to live together again in peace. In those parts of the country where movement controls have been relaxed and tensions reduced, they are already proving other- wise.


A quote from The UN mediator Gala Plaza's report on Cyprus, 1965.

That's what I pin my hopes on, that one day, we will live in peace together again...something a UN Mediator who was stationed in Cyprus at the time of the troubles, believed was possible....

Peace. :)


So thats ok then just because a UN mediator says so?, great logic Batty :wink:


Thanks VP :) ;), yup just because a UN mediator said it, he was there, he witnessed many things...it's pretty obvious that as tensions relaxed most people just tried to get on with their lives, and that meant living together like they always had done...without problems, and hopefully that's going to happen again one day, that's all I'm saying..it's nice to have a bit of hope...


Peace! :)


Ho great that changes everything then....


Well for me it helps, it give me hope that one day before I die Cyprus will be reunited in as fair a way as possible I guess...

Peace, :)
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Postby fanourıo » Fri Feb 02, 2007 2:00 am

The Opening of the Green Line

Without a doubt, the unexpected and extraordinary opening of the erstwhile border---guarded, barbwired, U.N. peacekept---that has separated Cyprus since 1974 is an event of exceptional importance. The border was suddenly opened in late April 2003, mainly through the work of Sendar Denktash, the son of the Turkish community's longtime leader, and an active member of the bicommunal groups promoting reconciliation. The governments reacted responsibly, and, suddenly, ordinary people were pouring through the checkpoint near Paphos Gate in Nicosia. No violent incidents were reported, and, on the contrary, hundreds of stories of people going to their former homes and being greeted warmly were the norm.

Where this will lead is anyone's guess. At this writing---the end of 2003---the social revolution has not affected politics noticeably. But this will inevitably change. A major set of reasons of the politicians on all sides for the impossibility of reunification have been dashed.

Below is a list of articles capturing some of what happened. More will follow.

Crossing the Divide from The Guardian

The People Respond from Al Ahram

False Dawn? from The Guardian

Engineer of the Opening from Time

Crossing the Line from the Irish Times
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