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[Saint Jimmy]

Man, I'm not trying to have it any way! I wish to God I'm wrong, I'm just trying to understand what the hell's going on... Do you not think that things happen that we're never told about, and we can only figure out by reading between the lines? Even if we do that, though, we can't know for sure, so all we can do is raise questions and try to figure out the most likely answer... That's why I believe what I say, but I can't stay behind it all the way, it's just speculating!

[brother]

Jimmy you are a good kid with an open mind and if there is more like you in your generation thats when if not now the cyprus problem will be solved.

So do not change and explore all avenues and the truth will be found eventually however painful to which ever side, at the end of the day it is the truth that will free us all of this baggage we carry.

[Saint Jimmy]

"...it welcomed the declaration of Turkey that "the Turkish Government confirms that it is ready to sign the Protocol on the adaptation of the Ankara Agreement prior to the actual start of accession negotiations and after reaching agreement on and finalising the adaptations which are necessary in view of the current membership of the European Union"."

Are you sure that can't go either way?

If so, how can you be? Based on what?

[pantelis]

Do you not think that our credibility internationally has deteriorated substantially since the referendum?

Credibility as what? No gives a shit about you or how you feel. (This applies to both sides of the "line". Those who, you worry about what they think of you, care only about their own interests.
The Turks- politicians care about the public sentiment and the generals care about the military "advantage" they have by stationing troops on the island.
The Greeks - politicians care about the public sentiment of their own people and how their vote towards them will be affected, nothing else.
The Anglo-Americans care to maintain control of the present and future military installations and "listening" facilities on the island.
The rest of the world, Europe to be specific, care only that we bother them problems that do not generate any income for them. Unless they have an idirect financial interest, they would not get out of their way to support one side or the other. Those who want Turkey's markets, they would help Turkey's positions. Those who do not want Turkey in the EU "club" (for their own domestic party reasons), they would try to delay or cause difficulties for Turkey, thru the Cyprus issues.

In other words Jimmy, your credibility means nothing, outside Cyprus. If you want credibility, earn it in Cyprus, by making a difference. Stop the BS and start meeting and associating, socially and on a business level with you fellow Cypriots. Form some honest GC/TC interests, besides exchanging dancers and property titles and trafficking drugs and other "duty free" garbage.

Talk is cheap. Enough of these voting bs and "should have" - "would have" stories.

[brother]

Hey man, you have good points but don't get that upset.

[erolz]

it was not only junker,but the chancellor of austria and pm of ireland and finland.

There were alos reports of Mitterand shouting at tassos and giving him a verbal toungue lashing when he started talking of his 64 chances to veto Turkeys accession. I think as time goes on those in the EU are getting increasingly sick and tierd of both sides of the Cyprus dispute.

[insan]

Credibility as what? No gives a shit about you or how you feel. (This applies to both sides of the "line". Those who, you worry about what they think of you, care only about their own interests.
The Turks- politicians care about the public sentiment and the generals care about the military "advantage" they have by stationing troops on the island.
The Greeks - politicians care about the public sentiment of their own people and how their vote towards them will be affected, nothing else.
The Anglo-Americans care to maintain control of the present and future military installations and "listening" facilities on the island.
The rest of the world, Europe to be specific, care only that we bother them problems that do not generate any income for them. Unless they have an idirect financial interest, they would not get out of their way to support one side or the other. Those who want Turkey's markets, they would help Turkey's positions. Those who do not want Turkey in the EU "club" (for their own domestic party reasons), they would try to delay or cause difficulties for Turkey, thru the Cyprus issues.

In other words Jimmy, your credibility means nothing, outside Cyprus. If you want credibility, earn it in Cyprus, by making a difference. Stop the BS and start meeting and associating, socially and on a business level with you fellow Cypriots. Form some honest GC/TC interests, besides exchanging dancers and property titles and trafficking drugs and other "duty free" garbage.

Talk is cheap. Enough of these voting bs and "should have" - "would have" stories.

Pantelis, I completely agree with you. This is the best ever I heard of you. You shortly summed up all and revealed the essential what is all about.

[Saint Jimmy]

Credibility as what? No gives a shit about you or how you feel. (This applies to both sides of the "line". Those who, you worry about what they think of you, care only about their own interests.
The Turks- politicians care about the public sentiment and the generals care about the military "advantage" they have by stationing troops on the island.
The Greeks - politicians care about the public sentiment of their own people and how their vote towards them will be affected, nothing else.
The Anglo-Americans care to maintain control of the present and future military installations and "listening" facilities on the island.
The rest of the world, Europe to be specific, care only that we bother them problems that do not generate any income for them. Unless they have an idirect financial interest, they would not get out of their way to support one side or the other. Those who want Turkey's markets, they would help Turkey's positions. Those who do not want Turkey in the EU "club" (for their own domestic party reasons), they would try to delay or cause difficulties for Turkey, thru the Cyprus issues.

In other words Jimmy, your credibility means nothing, outside Cyprus. If you want credibility, earn it in Cyprus, by making a difference. Stop the BS and start meeting and associating, socially and on a business level with you fellow Cypriots. Form some honest GC/TC interests, besides exchanging dancers and property titles and trafficking drugs and other "duty free" garbage.

Talk is cheap. Enough of these voting bs and "should have" - "would have" stories.

Dude, you are mostly right in what you say, but I don't like your tone.

Oh, and guess what? I'm going to talk about whatever BS I want, and be as fakely idealistic as I want, and there's nothing you can do about it. Who are you, anyway? I can't remember talking to you ever in this forum, much less disagree with you, and you just show up to bash me over my duty free garbage? Go find someone with your practicality and no-bullshit attitude and save the world together, and then come back here and rub it in our faces.

And take a sedative.

[brother]

I hear Prozac is one of the best pick me ups.

[MicAtCyp]

I would have vote 'no', because I do not anymore believe the sincerety of the GCs.

Our sincerety is the same as yours. So next time you see a plan be sure you vote according to what the plan asks you to vote, not according to how you think the GCs would vote, and certainly not how Ankara tells you to vote.
You dropped in the trap of Turkey who wanted a YES from you and a NO from us.Turkey won, you lost, we lost too. Next time be more careful.

The fact that the poll shows that almost all of you changed your mind is not very complimentary for you.
Go with the wind? Or go with current illussions? Your choice!