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Is communism ideology dead?

Postby Sotos » Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:09 pm

Are there people that believe that communism can still be an alternative to capitalism? Any true communists out there?
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Postby shahmaran » Sat Apr 21, 2007 1:05 am

Communism is meant to be the "next step" from capitalism which apparently is doomed for a collapse, not an alternative for it...
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Postby karma » Sat Apr 21, 2007 1:13 am

shahmaran wrote:Communism is meant to be the "next step" from capitalism which apparently is doomed for a collapse, not an alternative for it...


shut up for the sake of FIDEL :evil:
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Postby shahmaran » Sat Apr 21, 2007 1:13 am

but Fidel is THE man!
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Postby cypezokyli » Sat Apr 21, 2007 12:53 pm

you can never call an ideology dead. the system that called it self communistic was heavily defeated by the end of the 80s. yes, the western system was better. it was a system that collapsed, not an ideology.

from another point of view, the left was freed from defending a system that had nothing to do with the left.
communism, in its pure form needs to adapt to the realitys of the 21st century. besides, marx critisism on capitalism will never loose value. the problem with marx was that he didnot really propose something better, and he didnot tell us how exactly we can achieve that goal. so everyone interpreted marx the way he wants....

lastly, the left in general is not dead. havent you noticed the part of the world called latin america ? the left wins sweaping victories in USs own backyard
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Postby Sotos » Sat Apr 21, 2007 8:12 pm

So left and communism is the same thing? Venezuela has communism now?
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Postby cypezokyli » Sun Apr 22, 2007 10:54 am

Sotos wrote:So left and communism is the same thing? Venezuela has communism now?


if you want to get an answer you have first to define what you mean by "communism".



even the leftists themselves dont agree between them what it is.... :wink: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Sotos » Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:38 pm

I think communism is when everything is common everybody is equal and nobody owns more than others. The opposite of capitalism. In capitalism everything is owned by somebody there is no equality and people can be very rich or very poor.
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Postby cypezokyli » Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:48 pm

ok.... then venezuela is not a communist country
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Postby seleucus Nicator » Sun Apr 22, 2007 8:50 pm

Communism is a political ideology that seeks to establish a future
classless, stateless social organization based upon common ownership
the means of production and the absence of private property.
I think only the absence of private property used to exist in ex Soviet Union ,with this meaning i don't think that we can call communism the regime of Soviet Union.
Them self they used to say that they were one step before anarchism(stateless)(The last political system according Marxist Historical materialism)
They also used to believe that the temporary dictatorship of the Proletariat is needed to seize the property of the bourgeoisie.
My opinion is that was never exist Communism ,the regime in Soviet union
was just bureaucratic capitalism where the surplus of the workers collected from the state and not from the individual businessmen.
Marxism as theoretical model is nice but i don't think that in large scale will never implemented in practice (maybe in small societies is possible).
The soviet state was ruled by a bureaucratic elite who ate caviar, had private flats, owned limousines, the common soviet citizen was even not allowed (couldn't) buy these consuming goods.
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