What's really wrong with Cyprus today.....
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| Tim Drayton |
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| halil wrote: |
Dear Tim Drayton ,
Pls visit below link and read our new history books and do your comments.
try to translate them in English that our GC friends will find what our kids are learning about Cyprus History. books are in 3 parts.
Thanks.
http://www.mebnet.net/Kitaplar/ |
Good suggestion. I will buy these three history books next time I am in the north, read them, and if anbody is interested post my comments abot them. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 6:52 pm |
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| Piratis |
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What we see in Cyprus today is not new.
For example during the Ottoman rule many Cypriot defeatists had changed religion and become Muslims in order to pay less taxes and be treated better.
Fortunately those people have always been and they continue to be the minority among Cypriots, which is why we still exist on this island for 3500+ years despite the fact that numerous invadors have enslaved our island for centuries.
Compared to our long history on this island and compared to the centuries long occupations we had to survive through several times in our past, the 33 years of occupation that we have today is nothing, and it is sad that some Cypriots are willing to sell off their homeland so easily.
Some ignorant people say that if there is no solution in the next few years that partition will be supposedly "cemented". This is nonsense. The Turks today are trying to illegally wipe out 3500 years of history in northern Cyprus, and you are telling me that when the right time comes we will not be able to reverse 40 or 50 years of illegalities when we will have every right to do so??
I said it many times and I will say it again: Our people have a history that goes back many millennia on this island. It is absolutely stupid to sign away our land just because at this specific era the balance of power favors the Turks.
Yes, we are small and weak. And this is one more reason why we have to keep fighting for what is ours. Nobody else is going to fight for us. If we start signing away our lands to the foreign invadors, then within a few centuries we would have signed off our whole island.
So stop looking only at the short term and see what is better for our island in the long term. And even if you have some personal interests in closing the Cyprus Problem as fast as possible, remember that above all is Cyprus, and that putting your own personal interests above our island amounts to treason. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 7:50 pm |
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| StuartN |
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| Piratis wrote: |
. The Turks today are trying to illegally wipe out 3500 years of history in northern Cyprus, and you are telling me that when the right time comes we will not be able to reverse 40 or 50 years of illegalities when we will have every right to do so??
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You cannot 'wipe out' history. History is history - whether you like it or not. And 'illegalities' cannot be 'wiped out' either. If it happened, it happened. Full stop. Live with it.
If you think time can be turned back, you're very wrong Piratis.
StuartN
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 7:51 pm |
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| Niki |
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This forum has many strong opinionated people.
This is not the norm compared to the Cypriots I have personally met.
Most people are simply 'human' and therefore take the path of least resistance. They just want to get on with life, earning enough to feed the family, having souvla with friends, keeping close to their family...
This forum in my experience is not a true representation of the general people of Cyprus. It is a medium for people who want to have the option of putting forward their opinions and nothing wrong with that but it is not a true picture of how, in reality the people of Cyprus are concerned with the Cyprob situation.
If they were worried about these issues all the time they would not be able to get on with anything, they have been living with 'problem' for many years and have had to get on with life.
Most people given half the chance are also greedy! Human nature! |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:03 pm |
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| Piratis |
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| StuartN wrote: |
| Piratis wrote: |
. The Turks today are trying to illegally wipe out 3500 years of history in northern Cyprus, and you are telling me that when the right time comes we will not be able to reverse 40 or 50 years of illegalities when we will have every right to do so??
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You cannot 'wipe out' history. History is history - whether you like it or not. And 'illegalities' cannot be 'wiped out' either. If it happened, it happened. Full stop. Live with it.
If you think time can be turned back, you're very wrong Piratis.
StuartN
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Ok StuartN, lets say it like this: If the Turks think they can wipe out the majority of the people from northern Cyprus who have 3500 years of history on that land, then when the balance of power is right we can certainly wipe out some pseudo state that existed for 40 or 50 years when we will have every right to do so. The pseudo state and the Turkish occupation will become part of Cyprus history, just like the many other invaders we had before them.
There is no "Full stop" unless we capitulate and sign away our rights and our lands. And we will definitely not going to do that. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:08 pm |
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| Piratis |
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Niki, of course we move on with our lives. This is why we are far ahead from those "victorious" Turks that never managed anything in their history apart from committing genocides, crimes and stealing the lands of others.
However what those ordinary people you talk about also said is a big NO in capitulation, and they did so in the most clear and official way. So if you thought that Cypriots didn't care about their island and they are willing to surrender it to some Turks, you are very mistaken. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:13 pm |
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| MR-from-NG |
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| Piratis wrote: |
Niki, of course we move on with our lives. This is why we are far ahead from those "victorious" Turks that never managed anything in their history apart from committing genocides, crimes and stealing the lands of others.
However what those ordinary people you talk about also said is a big NO in capitulation, and they did so in the most clear and official way. So if you thought that Cypriots didn't care about their island and they are willing to surrender it to some Turks, you are very mistaken. |
blahblahblahblah, nothing but hot boody air  |
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| Re: Fair point | |
| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:14 pm |
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| halil |
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| Tim Drayton wrote: |
| halil wrote: |
Dear Tim Drayton ,
Pls visit below link and read our new history books and do your comments.
try to translate them in English that our GC friends will find what our kids are learning about Cyprus History. books are in 3 parts.
Thanks.
http://www.mebnet.net/Kitaplar/ |
Good suggestion. I will buy these three history books next time I am in the north, read them, and if anbody is interested post my comments abot them. |
U can down load from above link.
Kıbrıs Tarihi 1,2 and 3.
To understand the changes we made at our history books u must also get old ones.
old ones called Kıbrıs Türk Mücadele Tarihi (cilt 1,2)
byDr Vehbi .Z.SERTER
cilt1 is about 1878-1959
cilt2 is about 1959-1963
Dr Vehbi.Z.SERTER also has got Kıbrıs Tarihi
Orta I-II-III
covers 1974 and on forwards. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:25 pm |
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| StuartN |
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[quote="Piratis" ]we can certainly wipe out some pseudo state that existed for 40 or 50 years when we will have every right to do so. The pseudo state and the Turkish occupation will become part of Cyprus history, just like the many other invaders we had before them.
There is no "Full stop" unless we capitulate and sign away our rights and our lands. And we will definitely not going to do that.[/quote]
..and that will be the Cypriot army will it? - when exactly have you NOT been ruled / governed/ owned/ invaded by 'foreigners'? (except 1960 - 74 - and you cocked that up)  |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:35 pm |
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| Nikitas |
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StuartN,
YOu obvioiuisly have not read much of the history of this island. We were free when part of the Byxantine empire. And that empire laste a lot longer than the Ottomans.
From your attitude I guess you would have advised the Americans to stay put and not bother with such banalities as the Bill of Rights, and UDI in Rhdoesia should have been best left alone since what is done is done, and apartheid too is OK since it was a fact. What a pitiful attitude you have going buddy! |
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