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[erolz66]

Would you like some egg and beans with your waffles?

Would you like some flies with your BS ?

You can state all you like that no one recognises the TC community or its legitimacy to have a voice in the running of its own shared homeland, but that does not change the fact that your assertion is nonsense and demonstrably so. That reality is in fact the exact opposite of your claim just shows once more the extent of your own extremism and the degree to which you will you simply state black is white if that is what your propaganda demands.

Here is just one example , of thousands that could be given that show you claim that the 'TC's are not legitimate' and no one recognises them.

The policy of the EU with regard to the Turkish Cypriot Community was set out by the General Affairs Council on 26 April 2004, just before Cyprus joined the EU:

“The Turkish Cypriot community have expressed their clear desire for a future within the European Union. The Council is determined to put an end to the isolation of the Turkish Cypriot community and to facilitate the reunification of Cyprus by encouraging the economic development of the Turkish Cypriot community. The Council invited the Commission to bring forward comprehensive proposals to this end with particular emphasis on the economic integration of the island and on improving contact between the two communities and with the EU.”

DG Enlargement has set up a "Task Force for the Turkish Cypriot Community” to deal with the consequences of the unique and complex situation in Cyprus.

[Maximus]

If you say so then, you must be the fly and that's great too Erolz.

So when are the TC's and Turkey going to adhere to the EU aquis communitaire, the UN resolutions and the UN charter?

This includes rights for minorities but excludes Turkish security guarantees, because in the case of Cyprus, they were drafted and purposefully used as an excuse for military intervention in conflict with Article 2 (4) of the Charter of the United Nations and the norms of international law prohibiting the use of force in another country.

Can you state that the TC's and Turkey will respect Cyprus sovereign integrity, will follow the EU acquis, the UN resolutions and the UN charter to the letter?

[Lordo]

back to your deep sleep boy. just thank your lucky stars that terkey came and rescued you or you would have been part of greece by now. well hey there is a solution to that problem, furk off to greece dear boy.

[boulio]

So they left a tc community isolated that was at zero fault and rewarded the gc who pillaged and stole the tc rights for political Expediency to allow UN troops?yeah that makes sense.

You find it so hard to believe that the western world power did not care about Cypriots or who was right or wrong but only about their own interests, which was to avoid Turkey and Greece going to war over Cyprus, and they took the most expedient route to achieve their objectives ?

That was 50 years ago erolz what about now the tc declared a state in 1983,the soviet union collapesed in 1990(the nato arguement about two allies going to war)and they voted yes for the annan plan in 2004.We have since then mulitple countries that have been recognized ie kosovo,south sudan,east timor yet all quiet in northern cyprus.why?

[erolz66]

That was 50 years ago erolz what about now the tc declared a state in 1983,the soviet union collapesed in 1990(the nato arguement about two allies going to war)and they voted yes for the annan plan in 2004.We have since then mulitple countries that have been recognized ie kosovo,south sudan,east timor yet all quiet in northern cyprus.why?

Because of the use of force of arms in 74 to impose physical division is why. That, quite rightly, created a huge barrier to international recognition. It could happen in due course, after a few more rounds of failed negotiations (esp if we say yes and you say no as per annan plan) and every case settled via the IPC also helps but my personal view is we are many many years away from potential recognition of the TRNC.

[boulio]

That was 50 years ago erolz what about now the tc declared a state in 1983,the soviet union collapesed in 1990(the nato arguement about two allies going to war)and they voted yes for the annan plan in 2004.We have since then mulitple countries that have been recognized ie kosovo,south sudan,east timor yet all quiet in northern cyprus.why?

Because of the use of force of arms in 74 to impose physical division is why. That, quite rightly, created a huge barrier to international recognition. It could happen in due course, after a few more rounds of failed negotiations (esp if we say yes and you say no as per annan plan) and every case settled via the IPC also helps but my personal view is we are many many years away from potential recognition of the TRNC.

So the use of force to impose physical division(political correct way of saying ethnic cleansing)is the reason and you think if they keep serving bullshit plans and the ROC says no you will get recognition when both me and you will be dead?

[erolz66]

So the use of force to impose physical division is the reason and you think if they keep serving bullshit plans and the ROC says no you will get recognition when both me and you will be dead?

What you call a bullshit plan was supported by the UN, EU, USA, UK, Turkey, Greece - basically everyone except the RoC. I think if the GC persist in rejecting every plan, every attempt at a settlement that the rest of the world considers acceptable for long enough, in the pursuit of the same kind of maximalist demands that historically played such a large part in creating the problem, then yes eventually that could lead to recognition of the TRNC despite it having been created in 74 by force of arms and forced movement of people. Not my personal preference for Cyprus' future but yes it is conceivable I think.

[boulio]

since all those countries or entities supported it so much they should change there constitiouons and govt and implement the annan plan if it so good.

[B25]

So the use of force to impose physical division is the reason and you think if they keep serving bullshit plans and the ROC says no you will get recognition when both me and you will be dead?

What you call a bullshit plan was supported by the UN, EU, USA, UK, Turkey, Greece - basically everyone except the RoC.

Well history has proven we took the right decision.

Just checkout the so called supporters, all of them guilty by association and some of them the actual architects of the 74 invasion, hardly credible candiates to support anything.

In your own words, you remain unrecognised because you invaded illegally and no one wants any part of it. Imagine, there would be no country safe in the world by recognising such brutality.

When there is a plan on the table that is not extortionate, aparthaid, racist to the gcs and just, we might just consider it, otherwise you can all go whistle in the wind and wait your next 500 years for recognition. By then who would give a f.

[repulsewarrior]

"the UN, EU, USA, UK, Turkey, Greece - basically everyone", are for a solution. given the plan (i assume you to mean the Annan Plan) was unread at the time of the referendum, at least that version of it, i think that is reason enough to consider a "no" vote credible, coming from voters who have the rest of their lives to live with it. what is off the table, as Mr. Kofi put it, in my mind, is fifty years of failed Foreign Policy by Turkey to realise some satisfaction from the Lease to Britain gone bad. what is left, is a solution where Turkish Cypriots are recognised as such because the vast majority of the population is willing to surrender this power (somehow).

...as a Constituency (rather than an entity demanding equality to the State) demanding Cypriot Constituencies i could support the existence of a Greek Constituency as well (Bizonally, no less), however Cyprus, the State should have no equal, and it should remain a superior to any other governance we may have within it, Sovereign having a Federal Government to represent the will of its Citizens as a body of people, United as Individuals, toward defending the Universal Principals they seek to better.

...again i ask, and why not a Greek Constituency?