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Re: Greece - Europe's only hope of a change for good...

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Fri Jul 17, 2015 10:52 am

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Nikitas wrote:No one retires at 33. Youngest possible retirement is for submarine crews, permanent not conscripts, at 35 and that is after 17 years as sub crews. Then come people who have worked in heavy and unhygienic jobs, ie chemical plants, mines, etc, who retire after 20 years of work.

There are some exceptions won by politically powerful unions and some generous clauses for mothers of underaged children.

For the majority it is 60 if you have 40 years of labour stamps, or 65 if you do not and soon the general age will be 67.

And now for what the superficial lot do not tell you. Here you APPLY for your pension. On application you must STOP working and prove it, ie by sealing your account books, and wait till a few months you get the minimum pension, then wait for up to FIVE years to receive full pension. Many people do not live long enough to get full pension. If you work after you get pensioned then you must continue paying social contributions increased by 50 per cent. Funny how no one asks how pensioners can survuve with no employment waiting for their pensions to start rolling in.

Greek bashing is fashionable in some journalist circles, which is OK, but not when facts fly out the window.


Interesting. It never did seem logical to have retirement at 33ish. I have a GC friend who was a saturation diver and he retired early (not sure how early ... maybe mid forties). Even now he is in his sixties he still suffers the effects of his occupation. So maybe in a very few rare cases this could be justified?


I'd never heard of retirement at 33 but did have relatives in Greece who had to retire after some 25 years service - which meant mid 40s or early 50s. But they all went on and started new businesses and didn't retire in the classic sense. The reasons given for early retirement from some professions was to enable the younger generation to get jobs. That's probably why we have such a high youth unemployment rate now - because people are forced to carry on working.

Furthermore, around the time Greeks were retiring after 25 years service, this was similar in the UK; especially in the civil service and teaching. If not, it used to be really easy to retire on grounds of ill health.
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Re: Greece - Europe's only hope of a change for good...

Postby Paphitis » Fri Jul 17, 2015 6:39 pm

That's pretty standard the world over for Submariners and also military pilots. Usually pilots are pushed out of their squadron by 38.

From there they have 2 avenues. Fly a desk, instruct at Flight School or join the civil scene and fly a bus.

Most choose the civil scene.

So it's not really retirement unless it's different in Greece.
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Re: Greece - Europe's only hope of a change for good...

Postby Paphitis » Fri Jul 17, 2015 7:01 pm

Service personnel are entitled to Pensions which are tax free, and are not asset tested after 20 years of service or after deploying to a war zone.

Now, from Vietnam to the present day, imagine how many are earning Department of Veterans Affairs pensions. 45000 served in Vietnam alone.

Even personnel who deployed to the SBAs during 74, qualify for a pension for the rest of their lives. There are people who get pensions for life from their 20s.

Still not retirent as they are allowed to work still, but if Greece has similar arrangements then there is nothing wrong with it.
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Re: Greece - Europe's only hope of a change for good...

Postby Lordo » Fri Jul 17, 2015 10:05 pm

there is nothing wrong with it. are you stupid or stupider.

here is the new griik euro coin.
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Re: Greece - Europe's only hope of a change for good...

Postby Nikitas » Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:32 am

RH said:

"I have a GC friend who was a saturation diver " that would be a classic case of working in a heavy and unhygienic job carrying early pension. Proven disability caused by work conditions can hasten the pension, as happens with miners suffering silicosis for instance.

If you ever get to Kalymnos, the sponge divers island, you will see many middle aged and older guys suffering from diving disabilities. It is a hell of a job.
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Re: Greece - Europe's only hope of a change for good...

Postby Lordo » Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:07 am

you are looking at disability brought on by employment not pensions. the report was about how politicians to win votes reduced the pension age to 35. so you now have perfectly healthy 35 year olds drawing a pension. you also have a ration of one worker to one pensioner. is there another country on earth with one to one ratio
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Re: Greece - Europe's only hope of a change for good...

Postby Cap » Sun Jul 19, 2015 8:11 pm

Maybe Cyprus should offer to become a guarantor of Greece...
And then when their banana brother of Anatolia goes the same way we could offer some assistance to the Kurdish Republic of Eastern Turkey....

Just a thought. :?
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Re: Greece - Europe's only hope of a change for good...

Postby Lordo » Sun Jul 19, 2015 8:13 pm

i thought you were doing that already by giving ocalan a passport. whats that all about.

what about the decent citizens of terggy no help for them. you can dream right.
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Re: Greece - Europe's only hope of a change for good...

Postby Cap » Sun Jul 19, 2015 8:15 pm

Lordo wrote:i thought you were doing that already by giving ocalan a passport. whats that all about.

what about the decent citizens of terggy no help for them. you can dream right.


No such thing mate.
Your banana brothers sold Ocalan.
Don't blame us. :D
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Re: Greece - Europe's only hope of a change for good...

Postby Lordo » Sun Jul 19, 2015 8:20 pm

Cap wrote:
Lordo wrote:i thought you were doing that already by giving ocalan a passport. whats that all about.

what about the decent citizens of terggy no help for them. you can dream right.


No such thing mate.
Your banana brothers sold Ocalan.
Don't blame us. :D

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