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Re: Syriza say it as it is!

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Mar 24, 2015 3:08 pm

Tsipras continues the reminders to the children of the Nazis ...

Greece’s leftwing prime minister Alexis Tsipras stood beside German leader Angela Merkel and demanded war reparations over Nazi atrocities in Greece on Monday night, even as the two leaders sought to bury the hatchet following weeks of worsening friction and mud-slinging.

“It’s not a material matter, it’s a moral issue,” said Tsipras, unusually insisting on raising the “shadows of the past” at the heart of German power in the gleaming new chancellery in Berlin. It was believed to be the first time a foreign leader had gone to the capital of the reunified Germany to make such a demand.


http://www.theguardian.com/business/201 ... ith-merkel

Germany needs to pay its debt to Greece if it will ever honestly put this matter to rest.
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Re: Syriza say it as it is!

Postby Lordo » Tue Mar 24, 2015 3:19 pm

aint it a little late to be asking for war reparations.
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Re: Syriza say it as it is!

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Mar 24, 2015 3:50 pm

Why should it be a 'little late'? On the contrary, the timing is perfect as Germany is financially in an excellent position to pay Greece back. No money need even change hands; the Germans can just stop asking Greece for interest and repayments on Germany's contribution to those ECB 'loans'.

Anyway, reparations are a debt calculated in ongoing, unchangeable economic records and just as they state they cannot ignore Greece's supposed 'loans', so Greece can continue the same demands.

If someone stole from you, pretended they had changed for the better and offered you some money to 'help you' out of a difficulty then started making aggressive unrealistic demands, plus profiteering from your plight, wouldn't you say 'hang on, this can conveniently balance things out between us if we both wipe the slate clean'?
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Re: Syriza say it as it is!

Postby kurupetos » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:09 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
kurupetos wrote:GIG, syriza is a treasonous party, like all other leftist parties. I really don't understand why you are so excited about it. :?


No party is perfect. I'll praise when any do some good. Reminding Germany of their debts is good.

GIG, it was GD that first brought this subject to surface. Remember the protests outside the German embassy some years ago? :wink:
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Re: Syriza say it as it is!

Postby kurupetos » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:10 pm

Lordo wrote:aint it a little late to be asking for war reparations.

I will give you 10 euro to repair your *ss, brother.
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Re: Syriza say it as it is!

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:50 am

Pressure is mounting for the Germans to behave in a civilised manner:


The row between Germany and Greece over war reparations has intensified after Athens hit back at Berlin’s description of its demand for a staggering €278.7bn (£202bn) in compensation as “stupid”.

Insisting that Greece’s leftist-led administration had “a historical duty” to seek compensation for atrocities committed by Nazi forces between 1941-44, the politician in charge of the campaign said on Wednesday that he welcomed the German reaction.


The Greek prime minister, Alexis Tsipras, has accused Berlin of deliberately employing “legal tricks and delay” to avoid what he described as a moral obligation to compensate war crimes. Meeting Merkel in Berlin two weeks ago, he pressed the point again. The German leader appeared to open the door to discussion, but it was quickly shut by Berlin’s finance ministry.



But Isychos, who was born in Buenos Aires and raised in Canada, said Athens had “very detailed” documentation to back its claim. Greek officials had 400,000 pages of records obtained from the US national archives chronicling atrocities committed by the Third Reich.

Crimes ranged from reprisal executions to the pillaging of the country’s cultural heritage and an interest-free forced loan, officially estimated by the general accountancy office at €10.3bn, which was extracted from the Bank of Greece to fund Hitler’s Africa campaign. The Greek defence ministry is in the process of translating the data and digitalising microfilms.

“The occupation forces were extremely methodical in their reports to superiors, listing massacres and the shooting of victims, including women and children, the destruction of homes, you name it,” he said. “Greece, for example, was the biggest exporter to Nazi Germany of precious metals such as chrome. Some 279,000 tonnes were exported but never paid for.”

Soon, experts would also be scouring historical archives obtained from Russia, he said. “I formally requested the archives two weeks ago when I visited Moscow and was told that they do indeed have them,” he said of records that ended up in the possession of Russian and American forces at the end of the war.

Athens’ demand for repayment of its forced wartime loan has found support from the German opposition, with members of the Greens and the far-left Die Linke party saying Berlin should honour the debt. Syriza has strong ties with both political organisations.

Manuel Sarrazin, a European policy expert for the Greens, and Annette Groth, a member of Die Linke and head of a German-Greek parliamentary group, told Reuters that Berlin should repay the forced loan that Nazi Germany took from the Bank of Greece in 1942. Berlin and Athens should “jointly and amicably” take any other claims to the international court of justice, Sarrazin said.

Isychos said compensation could take the form of German companies investing in Greece and providing jobs. He cited the example of Krupps, which had been part of the industrial-military complex of Nazi Germany, continuing to provide services in Poland, another country that suffered greatly under the Third Reich.

Officials in Athens hinted that as “a last negotiating card” they could take the case to the international court of justice at The Hague. “We don’t want to impose on the Germans how they are going to work with us,” said the deputy defence minister. “But what we are saying is this is an open issue, an open wound, and we have to solve it.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/a ... ns-demands
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Re: Syriza say it as it is!

Postby supporttheunderdog » Thu Apr 09, 2015 2:42 pm

Syriza are living in Dreamworld and I think gIG is too (that or in Cloud Cukoo land) .... all pointers indicate that reparations issues were settled either in 1960 or 1990 and this just smoke and mirrors by Syriza...
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Re: Syriza say it as it is!

Postby Cap » Thu Apr 09, 2015 6:20 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:Syriza are living in Dreamworld and I think gIG is too (that or in Cloud Cukoo land) .... all pointers indicate that reparations issues were settled either in 1960 or 1990 and this just smoke and mirrors by Syriza...


It doesn't matter, GiGs will support it regardless.
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Re: Syriza say it as it is!

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Apr 09, 2015 6:40 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:Syriza are living in Dreamworld and I think gIG is too (that or in Cloud Cukoo land) .... all pointers indicate that reparations issues were settled either in 1960 or 1990 and this just smoke and mirrors by Syriza...


Really, settled, you say? Then why does the article inform us of this:


"Athens’ demand for repayment of its forced wartime loan has found support from the German opposition, with members of the Greens and the far-left Die Linke party saying Berlin should honour the debt."

- Rather an ungenerous sentiment from you STUD (but then you are another racist, Greek-hater) considering Britain profited nicely from German reparations and Greece has been left impoverished!
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Re: Syriza say it as it is!

Postby B25 » Thu Apr 09, 2015 6:46 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:Syriza are living in Dreamworld and I think gIG is too (that or in Cloud Cukoo land) .... all pointers indicate that reparations issues were settled either in 1960 or 1990 and this just smoke and mirrors by Syriza...

You could at least give them the benefit of the doubt and wait and see.
A number of German and other academics and politicians seem to agree Greece has a case.
Good luck to Greece, i hope they manage it.
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