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Re: Turkey Killing Kurds in Turkish Urban Areas!

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Feb 11, 2016 10:07 am

Sadly, another massacre of Kurds by Turkey ....

The leader of Turkey’s pro-Kurdish Peoples’ Democracy Party on Tuesday accused Ankara of committing a “massacre”, following reports that scores of civilians had been killed in a military operation against Kurdish rebels in a southeastern town.

Cizre has been under a punishing curfew for six weeks as the Turkish army pursues a relentless campaign against rebels of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK).

The reports say Turkish security forces raided a building in Cizre, killing up to 60 wounded people who had been sheltering there for more than a week. “They committed a massacre in Cizre, and they don’t want to announce it,” Selahattin Demirtas told party lawmakers.

Meanwhile, on Tuesday, a 17-year-old Kurdish teenager was killed in southeastern city of Diyarbakir during clashes between police and protesters demonstrating against the military operations in Cizre, security sources told AFP.


http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp ... 215782.ece
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Re: Turkey Killing Kurds in Turkish Urban Areas!

Postby erolz66 » Thu Feb 11, 2016 10:26 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Sadly, another massacre of Kurds by Turkey ....


distortion
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Re: Turkey Killing Kurds in Turkish Urban Areas!

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Feb 11, 2016 10:34 am

erolz66 wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Sadly, another massacre of Kurds by Turkey ....


distortion


Sadly, always quick to Turkey's defence.

How can my opinion be a distortion, idiot?

It also happens to be the opinion of others!

Speaking during his party's parliamentary group meeting on Tuesday, Demirtaş said that the government committed a massacre but cannot admit it to the public because it fears a public backlash.
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Re: Turkey Killing Kurds in Turkish Urban Areas!

Postby erolz66 » Thu Feb 11, 2016 10:49 am

Presented as plain statement of fact, not opinion.

Someone with integrity would have said "Sadly, another accusation of massacre of Kurds by Turkey" when citing a media report about accusations.
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Re: Turkey Killing Kurds in Turkish Urban Areas!

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Feb 11, 2016 12:47 pm

erolz66 wrote:Presented as plain statement of fact, not opinion.

Someone with integrity would have said "Sadly, another accusation of massacre of Kurds by Turkey" when citing a media report about accusations.


Oh look at you with your love and protection of Turkey.

The media report was quoted after my own feelings about it - that is usual 'procedure' in a forum. Hence the use of an emotive word! I don't have to say IMHO every time I make a remark!

Who are YOU to warn us to be careful that we don't state opinions about Turkey, that we can't simply quote a press report, that we have to explicitly end all our sentences with an evaluation of whether they are a fact (according to you no doubt) or an opinion. Go to your own Turkish forums where such silencing is acceptable - or are they all closed down?

Even if I said it was a fact that it was a massacre - I would still be correct! Argue that one, idiot!
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Re: Turkey Killing Kurds in Turkish Urban Areas!

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Feb 11, 2016 1:04 pm

Here's an interesting media report, analysis, opinion piece, commentary, review, factual account, 'truth', whatever - we'll let the forum censor Erolz33/66/99 tell us what he's happy for us to call it ...


Turkey using war on terror to kill Kurds: Commentator
Tue Feb 9, 2016 6:39PM

Press TV has interviewed William Jones, with the Executive Intelligence Review from Leesburg, on the massacre of Kurds during Turkish army’s operation in Kurdish areas of Turkey.

The following is a rough transcription of the interview.

Press TV: Do you think that Turkey is eliminating Kurds as a whole with looking at civilian deaths that are rising, we had 200 and now this number here 70 of civilians who have died based on army operations by Turkey?

Jones: I think that’s the agenda and I think that’s been the agenda from the get-go. The Turks unfortunately have been able to use this so-called war against terrorism to mobilize their forces without significant criticism from the international community, which otherwise would have reacted at what seems to be a policy of ongoing genocide of the Kurdish part of their population.

And this is their main task in terms of the so-called war against terror. It’s not aimed against ISIL (Daesh) but it’s aimed against the Kurds.

I don’t know how far they intend to go, but Turkey has a history with regard to this and everybody remembers the Armenian genocide.

And the question is 'is history repeating itself?' in essence. And if that is the case, then the international community regardless of the war on terror has to react to this type of policy; but as yet, there’s been little said about it.

Press TV: Unless there’s a deal the deal that Turkey has made with the United States in particular about the issue of the Kurds.

Jones: Well, obviously they’ve done that. I mean all the compromises that were made, the fact that the Kurds were not involved at all in the Geneva talks in spite of the fact that they have been the main force fighting against ISIL and have been supported by the US military on the ground.

They’re, nevertheless, not getting much support politically in terms of coming from the US or from the Western countries.

I think they’re in a very bad situation. They’re being sold out in many respects by the US in spite of the role that they’re playing militarily on the ground.

And I think that if this continues and we give more rope to the Turks to do what they’re doing, they’re going to hang the Kurds and the responsibility will lie not only on Turkey but also on the Western nations who have allowed that to happen.

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/02/09 ... aesh-Jones
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Re: Turkey Killing Kurds in Turkish Urban Areas!

Postby erolz66 » Thu Feb 11, 2016 1:40 pm

Some context.

Media report from the English language news and documentary network, affiliated with Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_TV

Featuring William Jones, with the Executive Intelligence Review from Leesburg. Executive Intelligence Review is part of the LaRouche movement, which has brought us in the past such exclusives as "Queen Elizabeth II is head of an international drug-smuggling cartel" and "Oklahoma City bombing in 1995 was the first strike in a British attempt to take over the United States"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_ ... nce_Review

It is imo interesting to note how credible sources are or are not to certain people. Is credibility down to who and what the source is or is it down solely to if it says something the person likes or not ?
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Re: Turkey Killing Kurds in Turkish Urban Areas!

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Feb 11, 2016 1:59 pm

I see you can't argue with what the analyst said. :lol:

Trying to rubbish this source because of some of their previous controversial reports, typical of most media, doesn't diminish the fact of the evils Turkey is inflicting on Kurds.

Your attempts to silence anything presenting the killing of Kurds are worthy of a medal from your chief, Erdogan, who has systematically destroyed press freedom and individual freedom of speech in Turkey.

DON'T BRING IT HERE!


NYC: Protesters Demand Media Coverage of Turkey's "Massacre" of Kurds

FEBRUARY 10, 2016HEADLINES

Pro-Kurdish activists rallied outside The New York Times and marched to CNN Tuesday to protest the lack of media coverage of what they say was a massacre of Kurdish people by government forces in Turkey. Turkey says it carried out a military operation against people it identified as militants with the Kurdistan Workers’ Party, or PKK. Initial state media reports put the death toll at 60, although that number was later retracted. The local governorate said 10 people were killed. But pro-Kurdish lawmakers have accused Turkish forces of massacring dozens of wounded civilians. Protesters rallied here in New York City.

Elif Genc: "My name is Elif Genc. I’m from the HDK NYC, and so that’s the Peoples’ Democratic Congress. And the reason that we’re here today is because we’re just trying to bring awareness to a horrific massacre that occurred over the weekend in Turkey. They’re actually just opening fire and just openly killing, with like reckless abandon, just children, women—it doesn’t matter who. But there should definitely just be some awareness on the part of the international community that Turkey is—put pressure on Turkey to stop this, because if there was—I mean, there are American weapons companies that are selling weapons to the Turkish army to kill these people, to begin with."


http://www.democracynow.org/2016/2/10/h ... e_of_kurds
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Re: Turkey Killing Kurds in Turkish Urban Areas!

Postby erolz66 » Thu Feb 11, 2016 2:39 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Your attempts to silence anything presenting the killing of Kurds are worthy of a medal from your chief, Erdogan, who has systematically destroyed press freedom and individual freedom of speech in Turkey.


I am not responsible for your inability to understand. I am not defending Turkey. I am not trying to silence anything. I am highlighting the way YOU consistently behave on these forums. That such almost always is within the context of your anti Turk agenda or your irrationally pro Greek one, is down to YOU not me.

For the record I have little doubt personally that Turkey is committing atrocities in the SE of Turkey against civilian 'non combatants' under the guise of combating terrorism.

That does not mean that therefore a media report from a network affiliated with Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting about 'analysis' from someone from the Executive Intelligence Review is eminently credible. As a normal sane rational person, I do not ascribe or not ascribe credibility to a given report based solely on if it says something I like or not. I apply rational enquiry process as to who and what the source is, what their history is and so forth and then make a judgement based on that.

I was highlighting your apparent rank hypocrisy whereby you can and will and have writen of hundreds of articles from the main stream media on a given issue when they do not say what you like whilst presenting articles like the one you did from presstv without any apparent need to even consider the credibility and partisanship of either the media outlet or the person / organisation they are reporting on. That is how you behave here on these forums. How you have always behaved.
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Re: Turkey Killing Kurds in Turkish Urban Areas!

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Feb 11, 2016 3:39 pm

erolz66 wrote:I am not responsible for your inability to understand.


Good. Now freckovv and stop trashing threads!
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