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Re: All roads eventually lead to Cyprus...

Postby Paphitis » Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:15 am

miltiades wrote::lol: :lol: Shall we ...declare war on Russia ? :lol: :lol:
Mate, I as well as you, have young ones to worry about. Putin will not be around for ever. He has shown the world over Syria that he is a leader. more so recently in not throwing his toys out of the pram like Obama did. The CIA got things disastrously wrong in the past, not least the " WOMD". Trump said this a couple of days ago.


don't be absurd.

no one said anything about declaring war on Russia. You are in fantasy land. America's recent diplomatic response was ideal and justified.

However, placating their behavior is setting very dangerous norms which will not be nice and there will be more wars and a lot of terrorism. You talk about hegemony but you are implementing hegemony onto millions of people and you are labeling them as "terrorists"

The Coalition had the right idea in dealing with Islamic State, and letting the moderates fight it out to achieve a lasting political Peace settlement in Syria. Now we are a long way off. Radical islam is something that can't be defeated and Pootin isn't interested in defeating it. The USA is but just won't be able to beat them because there will always be 100 new terrorists for every one we kill. it's just an endless cycle now and will continue for a long time until that cycle is broken.

The proof is also in the pudding. Compare Iraq to Syria. there you will find your answer as to which side is achieving better results.

You are going to see wars between Israel and Hezbollah, also involving the Saudis and Turkey.

If there is no political solution this month, then kiss peace good buy.
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Re: All roads eventually lead to Cyprus...

Postby Jerry » Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:08 pm

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Paphitis wrote:Sorry, but I like George Michael because he is responsible for pushing some pretty heavy duty boundaries and is helping Cypriots grow.

I like it when boundaries are pushed. Cypriots (older generations) are still quite homophobic and sexist too.

Plus, young Cypriots are a very progressive and laid back bunch. They are the new bastions, and it is good to see all the old fogies and old farts on this forum squirm! :lol:

George Michael was an Ambassador to Cyprus and we should all be proud of his accomplishments in music. He was a very big star there is no doubt about it.

Beg to differ about George Michael being an ambassador for Cyprus, since I suspect few of his many fans outside the Cypriot community or in Cyprus knew, let alone cared about him being Cypriot. He never sought to hide but he never seemed to play on it either, and I cannot trace he ever publically did anything to promote Cyprus.

That does not take away from his private Generosity to the UK Thalasamia institute, which helped many of Cypriot origins with that terrible condition live longer and more fulfilling lives, and many other private Charitable gestures. Nor does it mean we should not be proud of his musical acheivements, which Cypriots can be proud of, as well as for any world wide impact he may have had on LGBT issues, following his public "comming out" after his US arrest. Judging however by comments here, and those of sone the men in the funny hats and long black dresses, his impact on LGBT issues in Cyprus is not so great. More the pity. Yes attitudes are changing but they have a long way to go.


he promoted cyprus every time he traveled to the island. It was one of his favored destinations because he would be seen in Cyprus every year.

Obviously, he was connected to the island and loved it so much to squeeze it in his busy schedule. He never suppressed his Cypriot identity.

The media however, will only report on vane issues like what he was wearing, who he was seen with and what he had for dinner and other such banal matters.

Actually I beg to differ on the impact of LGBT issues in Cyprus. To actually gauge that, you will need to fuselage the opinions of the younger generations. Younger Cypriots are EXTREMELY active on FaceBook, and there seem to be no homophobic tendencies among them. Quite the opposite as a matter of fact. Young Cypriots are very open, intelligent and extremely tolerant. Probably just as much as any other western country.

You wan't find many YOUNG Cypriots on this forum, because they tend to avoid all the nonsense of the older generations. Most young Cypriots have been educated overseas and seem to be a lot more enlightened than the average person you will find here.

All we need to do is wait for all the old farts to die off! TICK TOCK! :lol:


Since his death the British press has made several references to GM's condemnation of the Iraq war and his support for Palestinians but the only references I have seen to Cyprus is the fact that his father was born there. As I said in an earlier post high profile Cypriots shy away from mentioning the Cyprus Problem. Stelios promotes joint ventures between the communities but I have never seen him condemn Turkey for its illegal activities in Cyprus.
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Re: All roads eventually lead to Cyprus...

Postby Paphitis » Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:15 pm

Jerry wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
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Paphitis wrote:Sorry, but I like George Michael because he is responsible for pushing some pretty heavy duty boundaries and is helping Cypriots grow.

I like it when boundaries are pushed. Cypriots (older generations) are still quite homophobic and sexist too.

Plus, young Cypriots are a very progressive and laid back bunch. They are the new bastions, and it is good to see all the old fogies and old farts on this forum squirm! :lol:

George Michael was an Ambassador to Cyprus and we should all be proud of his accomplishments in music. He was a very big star there is no doubt about it.

Beg to differ about George Michael being an ambassador for Cyprus, since I suspect few of his many fans outside the Cypriot community or in Cyprus knew, let alone cared about him being Cypriot. He never sought to hide but he never seemed to play on it either, and I cannot trace he ever publically did anything to promote Cyprus.

That does not take away from his private Generosity to the UK Thalasamia institute, which helped many of Cypriot origins with that terrible condition live longer and more fulfilling lives, and many other private Charitable gestures. Nor does it mean we should not be proud of his musical acheivements, which Cypriots can be proud of, as well as for any world wide impact he may have had on LGBT issues, following his public "comming out" after his US arrest. Judging however by comments here, and those of sone the men in the funny hats and long black dresses, his impact on LGBT issues in Cyprus is not so great. More the pity. Yes attitudes are changing but they have a long way to go.


he promoted cyprus every time he traveled to the island. It was one of his favored destinations because he would be seen in Cyprus every year.

Obviously, he was connected to the island and loved it so much to squeeze it in his busy schedule. He never suppressed his Cypriot identity.

The media however, will only report on vane issues like what he was wearing, who he was seen with and what he had for dinner and other such banal matters.

Actually I beg to differ on the impact of LGBT issues in Cyprus. To actually gauge that, you will need to fuselage the opinions of the younger generations. Younger Cypriots are EXTREMELY active on FaceBook, and there seem to be no homophobic tendencies among them. Quite the opposite as a matter of fact. Young Cypriots are very open, intelligent and extremely tolerant. Probably just as much as any other western country.

You wan't find many YOUNG Cypriots on this forum, because they tend to avoid all the nonsense of the older generations. Most young Cypriots have been educated overseas and seem to be a lot more enlightened than the average person you will find here.

All we need to do is wait for all the old farts to die off! TICK TOCK! :lol:


Since his death the British press has made several references to GM's condemnation of the Iraq war and his support for Palestinians but the only references I have seen to Cyprus is the fact that his father was born there. As I said in an earlier post high profile Cypriots shy away from mentioning the Cyprus Problem. Stelios promotes joint ventures between the communities but I have never seen him condemn Turkey for its illegal activities in Cyprus.


Yes Jerry but honestly don't you think we will only be dished what the media think is worthy of dishing?

In the UK, you have so many trashy news outlets. Would these news outlets post any of his political crusades or what designer clothing he was wearing?

The tabloids won't touch it. So we are given an impression of his vanity and really don't know the real George unless a close friend or associate.

He has had a big social impact on Cyprus in my opinion. That helps our society to grow and transcend a few issues like homophobia and sexism which sadly are issues we do not do very well with.
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Re: All roads eventually lead to Cyprus...

Postby Jerry » Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:40 pm

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Yes Jerry but honestly don't you think we will only be dished what the media think is worthy of dishing?

In the UK, you have so many trashy news outlets. Would these news outlets post any of his political crusades or what designer clothing he was wearing?

The tabloids won't touch it. So we are given an impression of his vanity and really don't know the real George unless a close friend or associate.

He has had a big social impact on Cyprus in my opinion. That helps our society to grow and transcend a few issues like homophobia and sexism which sadly are issues we do not do very well with.


I mostly read the serious British newspapers, since his death many articles have been written about him but I have not seen any reference to support for Cyprus. Had George Michael been involved in, say, the protests on the Green Line in 1996 when Solomou and Issac were murdered you can be certain that even the trashy news outlets would have headlined it.
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Re: All roads eventually lead to Cyprus...

Postby Paphitis » Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:43 pm

Jerry wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Yes Jerry but honestly don't you think we will only be dished what the media think is worthy of dishing?

In the UK, you have so many trashy news outlets. Would these news outlets post any of his political crusades or what designer clothing he was wearing?

The tabloids won't touch it. So we are given an impression of his vanity and really don't know the real George unless a close friend or associate.

He has had a big social impact on Cyprus in my opinion. That helps our society to grow and transcend a few issues like homophobia and sexism which sadly are issues we do not do very well with.


I mostly read the serious British newspapers, since his death many articles have been written about him but I have not seen any reference to support for Cyprus. Had George Michael been involved in, say, the protests on the Green Line in 1996 when Solomou and Issac were murdered you can be certain that even the trashy news outlets would have headlined it.


Was he in Cyprus at the time?

Yes the newspapers would probably headline it, and it probably wouldn't have been favourable to him. Who knows? He would have had a lot of minders and advisors from the industry in those days. You just don't know how the media would spin it.
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Re: All roads eventually lead to Cyprus...

Postby miltiades » Mon Jan 02, 2017 1:14 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Jerry wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Sorry, but I like George Michael because he is responsible for pushing some pretty heavy duty boundaries and is helping Cypriots grow.

I like it when boundaries are pushed. Cypriots (older generations) are still quite homophobic and sexist too.

Plus, young Cypriots are a very progressive and laid back bunch. They are the new bastions, and it is good to see all the old fogies and old farts on this forum squirm! :lol:

George Michael was an Ambassador to Cyprus and we should all be proud of his accomplishments in music. He was a very big star there is no doubt about it.

Beg to differ about George Michael being an ambassador for Cyprus, since I suspect few of his many fans outside the Cypriot community or in Cyprus knew, let alone cared about him being Cypriot. He never sought to hide but he never seemed to play on it either, and I cannot trace he ever publically did anything to promote Cyprus.

That does not take away from his private Generosity to the UK Thalasamia institute, which helped many of Cypriot origins with that terrible condition live longer and more fulfilling lives, and many other private Charitable gestures. Nor does it mean we should not be proud of his musical acheivements, which Cypriots can be proud of, as well as for any world wide impact he may have had on LGBT issues, following his public "comming out" after his US arrest. Judging however by comments here, and those of sone the men in the funny hats and long black dresses, his impact on LGBT issues in Cyprus is not so great. More the pity. Yes attitudes are changing but they have a long way to go.


he promoted cyprus every time he traveled to the island. It was one of his favored destinations because he would be seen in Cyprus every year.

Obviously, he was connected to the island and loved it so much to squeeze it in his busy schedule. He never suppressed his Cypriot identity.

The media however, will only report on vane issues like what he was wearing, who he was seen with and what he had for dinner and other such banal matters.

Actually I beg to differ on the impact of LGBT issues in Cyprus. To actually gauge that, you will need to fuselage the opinions of the younger generations. Younger Cypriots are EXTREMELY active on FaceBook, and there seem to be no homophobic tendencies among them. Quite the opposite as a matter of fact. Young Cypriots are very open, intelligent and extremely tolerant. Probably just as much as any other western country.

You wan't find many YOUNG Cypriots on this forum, because they tend to avoid all the nonsense of the older generations. Most young Cypriots have been educated overseas and seem to be a lot more enlightened than the average person you will find here.

All we need to do is wait for all the old farts to die off! TICK TOCK! :lol:


Since his death the British press has made several references to GM's condemnation of the Iraq war and his support for Palestinians but the only references I have seen to Cyprus is the fact that his father was born there. As I said in an earlier post high profile Cypriots shy away from mentioning the Cyprus Problem. Stelios promotes joint ventures between the communities but I have never seen him condemn Turkey for its illegal activities in Cyprus.


Yes Jerry but honestly don't you think we will only be dished what the media think is worthy of dishing?

In the UK, you have so many trashy news outlets. Would these news outlets post any of his political crusades or what designer clothing he was wearing?

The tabloids won't touch it. So we are given an impression of his vanity and really don't know the real George unless a close friend or associate.

He has had a big social impact on Cyprus in my opinion. That helps our society to grow and transcend a few issues like homophobia and sexism which sadly are issues we do not do very well with.

Indeed he has !! young men are queuing up outside public toilets for a ...moutcho!! You will notice young Cypriot men cruising around looking for a ...fuck !!!
What a fantastic ambassador for ....Cyprus. Mate he was a great artist but he fucked up badly embarrassing his entire family.
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Re: All roads eventually lead to Cyprus...

Postby Paphitis » Mon Jan 02, 2017 1:23 pm

miltiades wrote:Indeed he has !! young men are queuing up outside public toilets for a ...moutcho!! You will notice young Cypriot men cruising around looking for a ...fuck !!!
What a fantastic ambassador for ....Cyprus. Mate he was a great artist but he fucked up badly embarrassing his entire family.


And I think you should grow up.

Anyone who can't appreciate his enormous talent and instead focus on such mindlessness doesn't even warrant a response.

Cyprus is changing forever. For the better.

The old days when sexism and homophobia were acceptable practices in our society are OVER!
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Re: All roads eventually lead to Cyprus...

Postby miltiades » Mon Jan 02, 2017 1:30 pm

Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:Indeed he has !! young men are queuing up outside public toilets for a ...moutcho!! You will notice young Cypriot men cruising around looking for a ...fuck !!!
What a fantastic ambassador for ....Cyprus. Mate he was a great artist but he fucked up badly embarrassing his entire family.


And I think you should grow up.

Anyone who can't appreciate his enormous talent and focus on such mindlessness doesn't even warrant a response.

Cyprus is changing forever.

I have already stated that he was a great artist. I liked his music and as an ex musician myself I can appreciate talent more than most.
He was not however someone that Cyprus ought to consider as an ambassador. He fucked his life up and ended his own life. indulging in drugs and flaunting his arse around is not something that I would consider ....ambassadorial qualities.
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Re: All roads eventually lead to Cyprus...

Postby Paphitis » Mon Jan 02, 2017 1:34 pm

miltiades wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:Indeed he has !! young men are queuing up outside public toilets for a ...moutcho!! You will notice young Cypriot men cruising around looking for a ...fuck !!!
What a fantastic ambassador for ....Cyprus. Mate he was a great artist but he fucked up badly embarrassing his entire family.


And I think you should grow up.

Anyone who can't appreciate his enormous talent and focus on such mindlessness doesn't even warrant a response.

Cyprus is changing forever.

I have already stated that he was a great artist. I liked his music and as an ex musician myself I can appreciate talent more than most.
He was not however someone that Cyprus ought to consider as an ambassador. He fucked his life up and ended his own life. indulging in drugs and flaunting his arse around is not something that I would consider ....ambassadorial qualities.


The old days when sexism and homophobia were a part of our society are OVER.

You keep mentioning his indiscretions as if they are a consideration. He is human. He had a lot of pressures and tbf was even treated terribly by the very people who are suppose to support him.

My only consideration is his value as a human being- which was considerable, and his achievements in Music (which were astounding).

Just accept the fact that the millennials are not only better looking, but are more chilled and smarter than the generations on this forum. George michael played a part in this evolution. And that is HUGE!

just also be glad, that with this generation, the old anachronisms of the past are DEAD in the water.
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Re: All roads eventually lead to Cyprus...

Postby Cap » Thu Jan 05, 2017 9:38 pm

That's correct.
Zypern all the way Hans.

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