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Re: Sweden seizes Turkish gun-running ship

Postby erolz66 » Wed Feb 03, 2016 12:49 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote: This thread is about Sweden


There is almost no thread on any topic or subject or about any country that you have not used in your 12 odd years here as an opportunity to vent your hatred of Turkey here, and you say the above to me with no apparent shame at the rank hypocrisy. Despite what you may believe you are not the 'Queen' of this forum with a holy right to define and limit what I am allowed to discuss or not.

GreekIslandGirl wrote: and I stated explicitly (and used the whole quote, not your micro-selections) that I was showing the comments relating to Sweden. Such is your embedded hatred of Greece that it's all you want to go back to and with the completely isolated and out of context quotes.


Your quotes were 'micro-selected'. In support of your claim that the 8th biannual report re Schengen showed "serious shortcomings by Sweden" you offered this 'micro-selection'

The aforementioned shortcomings in the implementation of the EU acquis led to temporary reintroduction of controls at the German, Austrian, Slovenian, Hungarian, Swedish and Norwegian internal borders
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Taking the text out of all of it's context as to what the "aforementioned shortcomings in the implementation of the EU acquis" actually were and more relevantly which countries if any were singled out for being responsible for such shortcomings - which is not Sweden if you read the section containing the "aforementioned shortcomings"

You also offered this quote in support of the report showing "serious shortcomings by Sweden"

Also Sweden announced in its recent notification of the prolongation until 20 December 2015 based on Article 25 SBC that it would prolong the border controls further based on Article 23 SBC if the situation does not improve. The successive use of Articles 25 and 23 SBC is possible on condition that the Member State demonstrates that the introduced or prolonged checks are necessary, adequate and proportionate to remedy the serious threat to public policy or internal security identified.


Sweden, as a Schengen member, announcing and prolonging the introduction of boarder controls in not a shortcoming of Sweden. It is the result of a break down in the operation of Schengen itself and such can only be done under Schengen acquis if they can show that such is necessary due to something like a break down of the systems that are integral to Schengen working and functioning.

So of your first two 'micro-selected' quotes you chose to use as support for you claim that the report shows "serious shortcomings by Sweden", neither shows a short coming by Sweden as identified by the EU Commission.

Of the third quote what the EU Commission evaluation report on Sweden found was "some deficiencies related to insufficient resources and training as well as correct execution of border checks" as well as details as to why the site chosen for the visit on which this evaluation report on Sweden was based was Arlanda airport, which was because of a risk analysis done by frontex (not an evaluation report by the EU Commission) highlighted atypically low rates of refusals of entry and detection of fraudulent documents.

GreekIslandGirl wrote:The fact is this:

You clearly stated that the EU Commission had threatened SANCTIONS against Greece. After nearly a week of dissecting and eking out whatever nonsense you could lay your hands on you have NOT found anything with which to qualify your statement.


Despite what Joseph Goebbels is claimed to have said about "If you tell a lie (distortion / un truth) big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it" I am not of that view myself, though it would seem to me that you are.

I have already conceded that if what you want to talk about and discuss is the semantics of what does or not constitute a threat, then I am of the opinion that such can be rationally done so in this case.

If however what you want to do is what you have been doing to date then I will continue to challenge such. So if you want to keep on trying to misrepresent the "Eighth biannual report on the functioning of the Schengen area" as being a 'Schengen Evaluation report' I will challenge that. If you want to keep trying to ignore, dismiss or disregard the actual Schengen evaluation report on Greece and the conclusion it reached and the actions that follow such, I will continue to challenge that. If you want to keep trying to make out that 'nothing' any where has been said by the EU Commission that could in any way be used as a basis for me (or large sections of the worlds media including Greek media, or other posters here that have said it, or Greek ministers that have said it) saying that the EU Commission has threatened Greece with sanctions (suspension from Schengen), I will challenge that. If you want to continue to try and make out that the EU Commission has not criticised Greece and done so in the only way that could start the process that could potentially ultimately lead to Greece being suspended from Schengen but has at worst only mildly criticised them in a manner similar to other Schengen members and at best praised Greece, I will challenge that. If you want to continue to try to do all this over and over and over whilst also shouting at me 'liar, liar. liar' I will continue to describe such behaviour as disgusting.
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Re: Sweden seizes Turkish gun-running ship

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Wed Feb 03, 2016 2:27 pm

erolz66 wrote:
Greekislandgirl wrote:
You clearly stated that the EU Commission had threatened SANCTIONS against Greece. After nearly a week of dissecting and eking out whatever nonsense you could lay your hands on you have NOT found anything with which to qualify your statement.


I have already conceded that if what you want to talk about and discuss is the semantics of ...


No, I'm not interested in your fallback to *semantics*. Find the bloody quote or explain why you lied.
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Re: Sweden seizes Turkish gun-running ship

Postby erolz66 » Wed Feb 03, 2016 3:40 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote: No, I'm not interested in your fallback to *semantics*.


the 'invitation' to have a discussion about what does or does not constitute a 'threat' is nothing recent. It is way way way back there in my 5th or 6trh post in the thread where this all started when I said "You can play all your silly word games all you like"

Then as now you had no interest in such which could at least be within the bounds of rationality. Your interest was not in 'rational' argument at all way back then and it just becomes clearer and plainer as your posts go on and on that you still have no interest in rational argument now.

GreekIslandGirl wrote: Find the bloody quote or explain why you lied.


I provided quotes from the official EU Commission press release that is the basis on which I AND countless other people have all made the same claim, way way way back in my 4th post in the thread where this all started and have done so subsequently many times since. That you just continue on and on and on and on and on and on squawking 'find the quote', 'show the quote', 'find the quote' and 'liar' 'liar' 'liar' 'liar' like some kind of demented parrot, just highlights once more how you behave on this forum and have done consistently for 12 + years.
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Re: Sweden seizes Turkish gun-running ship

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Wed Feb 03, 2016 4:03 pm

erolz66 wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote: Find the bloody quote or explain why you lied.


I provided quotes from the official EU Commission press release ....


Not any quote! THE quote!

Or is that what you mean by semantics? Any words will do - any order - as they constitute 'a quote'?
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Re: Sweden seizes Turkish gun-running ship

Postby erolz66 » Wed Feb 03, 2016 4:37 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:Not any quote! THE quote!

Or is that what you mean by semantics? Any words will do - any order - as they constitute 'a quote'?


I provided the exact quotes way way way way back at the very start of all this.

The quotes that show, beyond any reasonable doubt to anyone but a fanatic, that

1 The EU Commission is talking about Greece.

2 The EU Commission is talking about the conclusion of a Schengen Evaluation reoprt on Greece.

3 That that evaluation report on Greece concludes that "Greece is seriously neglecting its obligations and that there are serious deficiencies in the carrying out of external border controls that must be overcome and dealt with by the Greek authorities."

4 That the in the same EU Commission press release the Commission explains how such a finding is the start of a process that can lead to Greece being suspended from Schengen.

YOU on the other hand has and continues to persistently just use 'any quote' by repeatedly quoting reams and reams of text from a document that is NOT the one referred to in the EU Commission press release (8th bi-annual report on the functioning of the Schengen area) and that you have persistently tried to falsely represent as being a Schengen Evcluation report and as being the only relevant document.
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Re: Sweden seizes Turkish gun-running ship

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Wed Feb 03, 2016 5:37 pm

erolz66 wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:Not any quote! THE quote!

Or is that what you mean by semantics? Any words will do - any order - as they constitute 'a quote'?


I provided the exact quotes way way way way back at the very start of all this.


In which case you were lying 100% because none of the stuff you posted threatens Greece with sanctions.
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Re: Sweden seizes Turkish gun-running ship

Postby erolz66 » Wed Feb 03, 2016 5:53 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote: In which case you were lying 100% because none of the stuff you posted threatens Greece with sanctions.


Possibility one

I and all the thousands of other people around the world who were and are saying essentially the same thing all just happened to completely made up the same lie at the same time based on there being absolutely nothing said by the EU Commission that could rationally be argued was the basis for it.

Possibility two

You are wrong that the EU Commission has said absolutely nothing that could rationally be argued normal person to be the basis for such a claim.

And you talk about my arrogance !
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Re: Sweden seizes Turkish gun-running ship

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Wed Feb 03, 2016 6:28 pm

OK we know now you were just stupid! :P

:lol:

erolz66 wrote:And for the record there is no provision within the Schengen Acquis as it currently stands for a member to be expelled from Schengen ....
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Re: Sweden seizes Turkish gun-running ship

Postby erolz66 » Wed Feb 03, 2016 7:02 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:OK we know now you were just stupid! :P

:lol:

erolz66 wrote:And for the record there is no provision within the Schengen Acquis as it currently stands for a member to be expelled from Schengen ....


Pathetic.

Given that you have decided to report this same garbage over multiple threads , I will in turn report the same reply I gave to you when you did it the first time.

You only have to be able to use the advanced search on this forum to be able to know as absolute fact that I never used the word expulsion, other than when I was myself quoting from newspaper articles. Once more you just show how actual reality is just irrelevant to you and how misrepresentation and distortion is so often central to your claims.
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Re: Sweden seizes Turkish gun-running ship

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Wed Feb 03, 2016 7:17 pm

erolz66 wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:OK we know now you were just stupid! :P

:lol:

erolz66 wrote:And for the record there is no provision within the Schengen Acquis as it currently stands for a member to be expelled from Schengen ....


Pathetic.

Given that you have decided to report this same garbage over multiple threads , I will in turn report the same reply I gave to you when you did it the first time.

You only have to be able to use the advanced search on this forum to be able to know as absolute fact that I never used the word expulsion, other than when I was myself quoting from newspaper articles. Once more you just show how actual reality is just irrelevant to you and how misrepresentation and distortion is so often central to your claims.


This is when your twisting powers come to the fore! :P

I pressed you endless times to support your claim that the EU Commission threatened sanctions against Greece and you came up with countless sources to support you that they were indeed threatening expulsion. Now you are going to distance yourself from your very own *supporting* sources, coward. It's you who is pathetic as well as poorly informed. I warned you it was all anti-Greek media hype and propaganda, but you were blinded by hatred.
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