GreekIslandGirl wrote: This thread is about Sweden
There is almost no thread on any topic or subject or about any country that you have not used in your 12 odd years here as an opportunity to vent your hatred of Turkey here, and you say the above to me with no apparent shame at the rank hypocrisy. Despite what you may believe you are not the 'Queen' of this forum with a holy right to define and limit what I am allowed to discuss or not.
GreekIslandGirl wrote: and I stated explicitly (and used the whole quote, not your micro-selections) that I was showing the comments relating to Sweden. Such is your embedded hatred of Greece that it's all you want to go back to and with the completely isolated and out of context quotes.
Your quotes were 'micro-selected'. In support of your claim that the 8th biannual report re Schengen showed "serious shortcomings by Sweden" you offered this 'micro-selection'
.The aforementioned shortcomings in the implementation of the EU acquis led to temporary reintroduction of controls at the German, Austrian, Slovenian, Hungarian, Swedish and Norwegian internal borders
Taking the text out of all of it's context as to what the "aforementioned shortcomings in the implementation of the EU acquis" actually were and more relevantly which countries if any were singled out for being responsible for such shortcomings - which is not Sweden if you read the section containing the "aforementioned shortcomings"
You also offered this quote in support of the report showing "serious shortcomings by Sweden"
Also Sweden announced in its recent notification of the prolongation until 20 December 2015 based on Article 25 SBC that it would prolong the border controls further based on Article 23 SBC if the situation does not improve. The successive use of Articles 25 and 23 SBC is possible on condition that the Member State demonstrates that the introduced or prolonged checks are necessary, adequate and proportionate to remedy the serious threat to public policy or internal security identified.
Sweden, as a Schengen member, announcing and prolonging the introduction of boarder controls in not a shortcoming of Sweden. It is the result of a break down in the operation of Schengen itself and such can only be done under Schengen acquis if they can show that such is necessary due to something like a break down of the systems that are integral to Schengen working and functioning.
So of your first two 'micro-selected' quotes you chose to use as support for you claim that the report shows "serious shortcomings by Sweden", neither shows a short coming by Sweden as identified by the EU Commission.
Of the third quote what the EU Commission evaluation report on Sweden found was "some deficiencies related to insufficient resources and training as well as correct execution of border checks" as well as details as to why the site chosen for the visit on which this evaluation report on Sweden was based was Arlanda airport, which was because of a risk analysis done by frontex (not an evaluation report by the EU Commission) highlighted atypically low rates of refusals of entry and detection of fraudulent documents.
GreekIslandGirl wrote:The fact is this:
You clearly stated that the EU Commission had threatened SANCTIONS against Greece. After nearly a week of dissecting and eking out whatever nonsense you could lay your hands on you have NOT found anything with which to qualify your statement.
Despite what Joseph Goebbels is claimed to have said about "If you tell a lie (distortion / un truth) big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it" I am not of that view myself, though it would seem to me that you are.
I have already conceded that if what you want to talk about and discuss is the semantics of what does or not constitute a threat, then I am of the opinion that such can be rationally done so in this case.
If however what you want to do is what you have been doing to date then I will continue to challenge such. So if you want to keep on trying to misrepresent the "Eighth biannual report on the functioning of the Schengen area" as being a 'Schengen Evaluation report' I will challenge that. If you want to keep trying to ignore, dismiss or disregard the actual Schengen evaluation report on Greece and the conclusion it reached and the actions that follow such, I will continue to challenge that. If you want to keep trying to make out that 'nothing' any where has been said by the EU Commission that could in any way be used as a basis for me (or large sections of the worlds media including Greek media, or other posters here that have said it, or Greek ministers that have said it) saying that the EU Commission has threatened Greece with sanctions (suspension from Schengen), I will challenge that. If you want to continue to try and make out that the EU Commission has not criticised Greece and done so in the only way that could start the process that could potentially ultimately lead to Greece being suspended from Schengen but has at worst only mildly criticised them in a manner similar to other Schengen members and at best praised Greece, I will challenge that. If you want to continue to try to do all this over and over and over whilst also shouting at me 'liar, liar. liar' I will continue to describe such behaviour as disgusting.
