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Do you agree with Paphitis or Miltiades assesment on Syria

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Re: Do you agree with Paphitis,s assesment on Syria

Postby Paphitis » Sun Feb 28, 2016 9:18 am

miltiades wrote:" Bashar Al-Assad Has More Popular Support than the Western-Backed “Opposition”: Poll two days ago.
https://www.google.co.uk/#q=assad+has+t ... ian+people
"It may be surprising to some that the Syrian people still support Pres. Bashar al Assad. The western media has gone to great lengths to portray him as an evil dictator. However, Syrian residents are not affected by western media, and have a different view of their leader."

"Syrians see Pres. Assad as a reformer. They have witnessed numerous laws passed for their benefit, and a constant focus on anti-corruption measures. They witnessed the abolition of the one-party rule, and now over 30 political parties are registered. They watched him call for a new constitution to be drafted, and it was ratified in 2012."

"Syria is the only secular country in the Middle East. This was established many decades ago, and when Pres. Assad came to office in summer of 2000 he maintained this form of government. The Syrian people have become very used to the secular nature of Syrian government, and social life. There are 18 different religious sects in Syria. The government and institutions are all secular and protect the rights of all Syrians. In Syria there is no ruling sect, all sects are represented throughout the government, Parliament and military."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-syrian ... ad/5510448


Got any credible links? The one you just posted was Global Research and I won't even open that junk!

https://www.metabunk.org/debunking-glob ... -tv.t2314/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018397347

http://toinformistoinfluence.com/2014/1 ... lresearch/
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Re: Do you agree with Paphitis,s assesment on Syria

Postby miltiades » Sun Feb 28, 2016 9:29 am

Sure, here is one:
" Most Syrians back President Assad, but you'd never know from western media

Jonathan Steele

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... propaganda

Here is another:
"The regime could not have survived without widespread support among its own population, and not just among minorities - See more at: http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/sy ... YpULy.dpuf
http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/sy ... -544952547

And another:
Comment: The uncomfortable truth about Syria is that Assad is popular
http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analy ... t-assad-is

AND ANOTHER:
Western poll: Assad supported by most Syrians
http://off-guardian.org/2015/12/19/west ... t-syrians/

How many would you like General ? The reality is that the majority of Syrians support Assad.
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Re: Do you agree with Paphitis,s assesment on Syria

Postby Paphitis » Sun Feb 28, 2016 9:40 am

miltiades wrote:Sure, here is one:
" Most Syrians back President Assad, but you'd never know from western media

Jonathan Steele

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... propaganda

Here is another:
"The regime could not have survived without widespread support among its own population, and not just among minorities - See more at: http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/sy ... YpULy.dpuf
http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/sy ... -544952547

And another:
Comment: The uncomfortable truth about Syria is that Assad is popular
http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analy ... t-assad-is

AND ANOTHER:
Western poll: Assad supported by most Syrians
http://off-guardian.org/2015/12/19/west ... t-syrians/

How many would you like General ? The reality is that the majority of Syrians support Assad.


Oh dear, the Guardian. In addition, you still have not answered my questions on whether Christians, Sunnis, women or non Baathist nominations are allowed to run! People live in fear.

Candidates[edit]
A total of 24 candidates, including 2 women and a Christian, submitted applications to the Supreme Constitutional Court for the presidency.[32][33][34] Of these, two candidates other than Assad met all the conditions to run, including the support of 35 members of the parliament.[35] The two other candidates chosen to run are seen as "mostly symbolic contenders" and "little known figures"[1]

Bashar al-Assad, the incumbent president, leader of Ba'ath Party
Hassan Abdullah al-Nouri, from the National Initiative for Administration and Change in Syria, a 54-year-old MP from Damascus
Maher Abd Al-Hafiz Hajjar, formerly from the People's Will Party, a 43-year-old MP from Aleppo. This party is led by veteran opposition leader Qadri Jamil who supported the initial protests in 2011 but then described calls for the overthrow of the government as "unrealistic and useless". Jamil was a member of the committee that drafted the new Constitution of Syria in 2011. However, People's Will won just two of 250 MPs in the 2012 parliamentary election with their allies from the Syrian Social Nationalist Party won a further four. Jamil was nominated Deputy Prime Minister by President Assad in June 2012 but removed in October 2013. The small number of MPs from the party indicates that most of his nominations must have come from either independents or MPs from the ruling National Progressive Front. A statement from the People's Will Party on 27 April distanced the party from Hajjar, claiming that Hajjar was no longer a member of either the People's Will Party, or the Popular Front for Liberation and Change. Instead the statement claimed that Hajjar represented only himself.[36]

The other 21 candidates that did not meet the criteria were:[37]

Sawsan Omar al-Haddad, born in Latakia Governorate in 1963. (woman)
Sameer Ahmad Mo'alla, born in Quneitra Governorate in 1961.
Mohammad Firas Yassin Rajjouh, born in Damascus in 1966.
Abdul-Salam Youssef Salameh, born in Homs governorate in 1971.
Ali Mohammad Wannous, born in Homs in 1973.
Azza Mohammad Wajih al-Hallaq, born in Damascus in 1962. (woman)
Talie Saleh Nasser, born in Kafrin in 1967.
Samih Mikhael Mousa, born in Btaiha in 1963. (Christian)
Mahmoud Khalil Halbouni, born in Harasta in 1946.
Mohammad Hassan al-Kanaan, born in al-Sanamayn in 1964.
Khaled Abdo al-Kreidi, born in al-Al in 1966.
Basheer Mohammad al-Balah, born in Damascus in 1931.
Ahmad Hassoun al-Abboud, born in al-Mayadin in 1962
Ayman Shamdin al-Issa Alam, born in al-Husseinyeh in 1967.
Ziad Adnan Hakawati, born in Damascus in 1955.
Ahmad Ali Qsei’eh, born in Jabaq in 1951.
Mahmoud Mohammad Nassr, born in Zahiriye in 1969.
Ali Hassan al-Hassan, born in Deir Saras in 1965.
Ahmad Omar Dabba, born in Tazeh Shamaliye in 1969.
Mahmoud Naji Moussa, born in Tadmur in 1950.
Hossein Mohammad Tijan, born in Aleppo in 1961.

Eligibility criteria[edit]
The conditions required to be a candidate in a presidential election are the following:

A candidate must be Muslim
A candidate must have the support of no less than 35 members of the parliament
A candidate must be 34 years old or older
A candidate must have lived in Syria for 10 years before the election
A candidate must be Syrian by birth, of parents who are Syrians by birth
A candidate must not be married to a non-Syrian spouse
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Re: Do you agree with Paphitis,s assesment on Syria

Postby miltiades » Sun Feb 28, 2016 9:54 am

The question here is whether the majority of the Syrian people support Assad or not.
I gave links to 4 sources , do you have a link that supports your contention that Assad is not supported by the majority of Syrian people ? Post it if you have.
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Re: Do you agree with Paphitis,s assesment on Syria

Postby Paphitis » Sun Feb 28, 2016 10:00 am

miltiades wrote:The question here is whether the majority of the Syrian people support Assad or not.
I gave links to 4 sources , do you have a link that supports your contention that Assad is not supported by the majority of Syrian people ? Post it if you have.


No no no, the question here is whether the elections in Syria have always been rigged!

Christians are NOT allowed to stand.
Sunnis are not allowed to stand.
Anyone under 34 years of age are not allowed to stand.
Women are not allowed to stand.
Anyone without the stamp of approval of the Baathist Party is not allowed to stand.

Candidates[edit]
A total of 24 candidates, including 2 women and a Christian, submitted applications to the Supreme Constitutional Court for the presidency.[32][33][34] Of these, two candidates other than Assad met all the conditions to run, including the support of 35 members of the parliament.[35] The two other candidates chosen to run are seen as "mostly symbolic contenders" and "little known figures"[1]


Also, did you know that the 2014 election was the first time anyone was permitted to stand against Assad. In all other elections, Assad was uncontested. The 2 candidates that were allowed to stand were unknown nobodies and still got 12% of the vote.

The system is specifically designed to knock out any serious opposition to the Batathists.

So did the Guardian journalist do a bit of digging or was he just happy quoting the 88% "landslide"? :roll:
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Re: Do you agree with Paphitis,s assesment on Syria

Postby miltiades » Sun Feb 28, 2016 10:08 am

Go ahead and post a link of any source that states Assad is not supported by the majority of Syrians.

That he is a dictator is not questionable, all of the ME is ruled by dictators.
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Re: Do you agree with Paphitis,s assesment on Syria

Postby Paphitis » Sun Feb 28, 2016 10:37 am

miltiades wrote:Go ahead and post a link of any source that states Assad is not supported by the majority of Syrians.

That he is a dictator is not questionable, all of the ME is ruled by dictators.


Sure!

http://time.com/93656/assads-rivals-for-the-presidency/

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/artic ... -candidacy

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria ... HE20140314
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Re: Do you agree with Paphitis,s assesment on Syria

Postby miltiades » Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:00 am

Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:Go ahead and post a link of any source that states Assad is not supported by the majority of Syrians.

That he is a dictator is not questionable, all of the ME is ruled by dictators.


Sure!

http://time.com/93656/assads-rivals-for-the-presidency/

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/artic ... -candidacy

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria ... HE20140314

General , the entire ME is corrupt and undemocratic, Im not going to support the notion that elections are held in accordance with democratic principles. They are all corrupt, from Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE and everyone else.

The question here is that most political observers suggest that Assad is supported by the Strian people, the majority. Frankly I couldn't care less if Assad is corrupt or not, the reality is that he and only he can bring peace and an end to the suffering of the Syrian people. The opposition is fragmented with more than 100 different rebel groups, do you think that rebels will replace Assad and somehow put an end to corruption, rigged elections etc. No they will not, the fighting amongst the various groups will intensify and just like Libya total chaos. You your self stated that it is better to support Assad for the sake of stability.

Unlike you I do not either hate or love Assad, Im merely an observer of this wretched war.
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Re: Do you agree with Paphitis,s assesment on Syria

Postby Paphitis » Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:19 am

Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:Go ahead and post a link of any source that states Assad is not supported by the majority of Syrians.

That he is a dictator is not questionable, all of the ME is ruled by dictators.


Sure!

http://time.com/93656/assads-rivals-for-the-presidency/

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/artic ... -candidacy

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria ... HE20140314


miltiades wrote:General , the entire ME is corrupt and undemocratic, Im not going to support the notion that elections are held in accordance with democratic principles. They are all corrupt, from Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE and everyone else.


You're a disgusting arsehole. What gives you the right to endorse the persecution, war crimes and human rights of these individuals even if some countries are corrupt!

And no, the UAE is no more corrupt than the UK. In fact, they are superior to the UK and they wouldn't even find a dirt bag like you worthy of spitting on.

miltiades wrote:The question here is that most political observers suggest that Assad is supported by the Strian people, the majority. Frankly I couldn't care less if Assad is corrupt or not, the reality is that he and only he can bring peace and an end to the suffering of the Syrian people. The opposition is fragmented with more than 100 different rebel groups, do you think that rebels will replace Assad and somehow put an end to corruption, rigged elections etc. No they will not, the fighting amongst the various groups will intensify and just like Libya total chaos. You your self stated that it is better to support Assad for the sake of stability.


No they don't! Most observers do not say that at all.

Finding a stupid Guardian Link from the gutter does not qualify as any Observer which knows what they are talking about.

Fact is, the elections were rigged like no tomorrow. And yes, I believe Assad's days are numbered. He is a dead donkey.

miltiades wrote:Unlike you I do not either hate or love Assad, Im merely an observer of this wretched war.


But you hate the rebels!

You hate ISIL and DAESH. Tell me what is the difference between ISIL/DAESH and Assad?
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Re: Do you agree with Paphitis,s assesment on Syria

Postby miltiades » Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:34 am

You are not only utterly obsessed you are also full of shit!
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