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[serkan]

I have recently posted a number of questions which were kindly answered by a number of Greek Cypriots. The most fundemental questions for TC's are as Follows:

1- There are still supporters of Eoka is the Gov. of South Cyprus can a deal really be made with such people, or is there a need for a new generation of politicians to come to the fore?

2- Do Greek Cypriots still support Enosis and do they regard EOKA fighters as national heroes?

3- If Enosis could be acheived peacefully today would you support it?

4- If Cyprus was reunited is there ever a chance either today or in the future that rival nationalist tendancies would cause a breakdown in law and order?

[Main_Source]

How can we take you seriously when you use terms as 'Government of South Cyprus'?

[zan]

I have recently posted a number of questions which were kindly answered by a number of Greek Cypriots. The most fundemental questions for TC's are as Follows:

1- There are still supporters of Eoka is the Gov. of South Cyprus can a deal really be made with such people, or is there a need for a new generation of politicians to come to the fore?

I fully understand the need for GCs to separate EOKA A and B in order to distance them selves from the latter. I am also asking that some of them realise that to a TC they both mean ENOSIS. As soon as any one in power mentions anything about being a supporter of any of the two sides to EOKA then the answer is no, even if it is a future politician.

2- Do Greek Cypriots still support Enosis and do they regard EOKA fighters as national heroes?

I have no doubt that many GCs do not support ENOSIS. It was only a few years ago that any GCs I knew hated the mainlanders. If however you are asking me about the political games that are being played then I would say yes. I believe they support it just out of principle if not out of political or financial gain.

3- If Enosis could be acheived peacefully today would you support it?

NO! In a way I think that it has already been achieved in the south through the EU. This is another reason why Turkey CANNOT let go of Cyprus because as soon as the Cyprus problem is over Turkeys EU prospects are over. It also is the same for the TCs, total unification means ENOSIS through Europe. That, to me, is why it is important for TCs to have 50/50 share in government.

4- If Cyprus was reunited is there ever a chance either today or in the future that rival nationalist tendancies would cause a breakdown in law and order?

This is something that I have said all along so yes would be my answer. People are always looking for someone to blame the easy option would be the opposing side. Do we really want the UN or EU forces to be a permanent fixture in our culture. Stick in a majority GC force and all hell will break loose same goes for the other way round. Even a simple 50/50 will be hard to maintain if not impossible that is the only reason for me wanting partition even if we agree on a single government.

[serkan]

Main_Source i have discussed why I use the terms i do in the other post i put forward 'Question for GC's' i ope that from there you can understand my motives and acknowledge that i am not trying to offend anybody whether they are Greek or Turkish.

The reality is that we may never agree on terms but this should not prohibit us from discussing the key issues at hand.

[serkan]

zan what is your personal background, i agree with most of what your saying and beleive that 50/50 division of power in a confederacy is the most viable solution for the future maintenance of peace and stability, although any potential solution is not as clear cut as this as other issues also need to be solved eg land rights and right to return etc

[pg]

NO! In a way I think that it has already been achieved in the south through the EU. This is another reason why Turkey CANNOT let go of Cyprus because as soon as the Cyprus problem is over Turkeys EU prospects are over. It also is the same for the TCs, total unification means ENOSIS through Europe. That, to me, is why it is important for TCs to have 50/50 share in government.

I must say that this 'Enosis through EU' is a strange concept.

It would mean that the UK as finally hooked in Ireland again, there is a new anschluss of Austria to Germany and Sweden has finally taken Finland back from the Russians.

PS. I noticed all questions for TCs to answer was about GCs...

[sadik]

1- There are still supporters of Eoka is the Gov. of South Cyprus can a deal really be made with such people, or is there a need for a new generation of politicians to come to the fore?

I believe it would be easier to solve the Cyprus Problem with a generation of politicians who actually are not responsible for creating the Cyprus Problem in the first place. But it's just a guess. We'll see if and when it happens.

4- If Cyprus was reunited is there ever a chance either today or in the future that rival nationalist tendancies would cause a breakdown in law and order?

There is always that risk. Even today there is a chance that we will go to an all-out war and thousands of people will get killed. A mutually acceptable solution by both sides, referenda on both sides and a clear declaration by both sides that this solution will be viewed as the final destination, not a tool for something else, will minimize the risks. A few fanatics cannot stir things up in Cyprus. Division of Cyprus was part of a grand design by the British and the Americans. They used or encouraged the others to play in this game. Local fanatics were being supported by bigger outside forces. Today the world is not like in the days of the cold war. Fighting in Cyprus is not in anybodys interest any more. So the time is right for unification.

[cypezokyli]

hi serkan, and welcome.
i like your questions.perhaps they could lead for a couple of pages to some serious discussions.
i also liked the answers from zan and sadik. i found it interesting that zan gave answers for gcs

There are still supporters of Eoka is the Gov. of South Cyprus can a deal really be made with such people, or is there a need for a new generation of politicians to come to the fore?

for sure we need new politicians.
what do you mean by supporters of eoka? enosis-supporters?

Do Greek Cypriots still support Enosis and do they regard EOKA fighters as national heroes?

No, gcs dont support enosis.
Yes we consider the eoka A fighters as national heroes.
i will agree on zan on this. for gcs there is a differentiation of eoka A and B. the A got the support of most gcs where the B didnot.
at the same time i can understand that for the tcs eoka A or B has no difference since they both killed tcs and both had enosis as their target.
for me i am starting critisizing the leaderhsip, and the practises of eoka A as well, but i still respect the people who died fighting against the british.

If Enosis could be acheived peacefully today would you support it?

OXI

If Cyprus was reunited is there ever a chance either today or in the future that rival nationalist tendancies would cause a breakdown in law and order?

thats the point i disagree with zan and agree with sadik . the danger is there, but it is in our hand to change it.

have a nice day

[Kifeas]

No, gcs dont support enosis.
Yes we consider the eoka A fighters as national heroes.
i will agree on zan on this. for gcs there is a differentiation of eoka A and B. the A got the support of most gcs where the B didnot.
at the same time i can understand that for the tcs eoka A or B has no difference since they both killed tcs and both had enosis as their target.
for me i am starting critisizing the leaderhsip, and the practises of eoka A as well, but i still respect the people who died fighting against the british.

You have every right to question Eoka A, its goals, objectives, means and deeds. I have a question for you though. Do you know how many TCs did Eoka A’ killed, under what circumstances, for what reasons and in which particular incidences?

[zan]

cypezokyli

The questions were meant for TCs not GCs. What the hell are you doing here stiring trouble)))))