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Re: The unpatriotic dissident

Postby Paphitis » Wed Mar 01, 2017 4:51 am

Get Real! wrote:Whoever pays up gets advertised. If Turkey is now getting criticized it’s only because they’ve stopped using their services and perhaps an enemy is paying instead. They are paid propagandists… they’re well known in the business of pushing political agendas for a price.


And your evidence is?

if anyone has the money to spend it surely is Saudi Arabia, israel, Australia and USA, but they got caned just as much. Usually the reports on them were not positive.

Israel is pretty sophisticated, but they absolutely got rubbished by freedom House.
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Re: The unpatriotic dissident

Postby Paphitis » Wed Mar 01, 2017 4:54 am



All these articles are written by people with a bee in their bonnet because they don't like the reports Freedom House comes up with.

Like this one about Australia. They are just trying to discredit Freedom House (usually conservative reporters) because they don't like the reports on Australian asylum seekers. Reports which are true btw but they try to discredit.

http://web.inter.nl.net/users/Paul.Trea ... house.html

And to top it all off, the Washington Post link you provided proves my point.

they accuse freedom house of being Anti Israel.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ri ... 2306f99ce6

Which of course they are in that they are reporting on gross Israeli violations against Humanity and possibly, according to them, war crimes.

A clear indication that YOU are bashing on an organisation you would otherwise love, being anti Israel, and anti Australian and anti American and so on.

But obviously, their reporting on Russia has you doing cartwheels all over the place.
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Re: The unpatriotic dissident

Postby Get Real! » Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:00 am

:roll: If you wanna be their lawyer go ahead… the rest of the world knows very well what “freedomhouse” is all about.

Like one of the quotes says… “This self-appointed, proclaimed monitor of freedom…”

When you pay up they write up nice things about you and shit on your enemies... and you’d better believe it.

They provide "custom" solutions to solve your problems! :lol:
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Re: The unpatriotic dissident

Postby Paphitis » Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:04 am

Get Real! wrote::roll: If you wanna be their lawyer go ahead… the rest of the world knows very well what “freedomhouse” is all about.

Like one of the quotes says… “This self-appointed, proclaimed monitor of freedom…”

When you pay up they write up nice things about you and shit on your enemies... and you’d better believe it.

They provide "custom" solutions to solve your problems! :lol:


Who is the rest of the World?

if you go to their facebook page, they have millions of followers from all over the world.

it's your position that is inconsistent.

they are very consistent in that they are just throwing their barbs against anyone they think is worthy of attention.

Why wouldn't Australia, Israel or USA pay up then. Come on, it wouldn't be a lot of money either. How much did Cyprus pay to not be included even in the smallest of negative pieces like Russia, Australia, Israel, Saudi Arabia, USA and so on? Did you send them Kolokassi or something?

but could it be, that they, like Amnesty International are not for sale?
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Re: The unpatriotic dissident

Postby Get Real! » Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:09 am

Paphitis wrote:Why wouldn't Australia, Israel or USA pay up then. Come on, it wouldn't be a lot of money either. How much did Cyprus pay to not be included even in the smallest of negative pieces like Russia, Australia, Israel, Saudi Arabia, USA and so on? Did you send them Kolokassi or something?

but could it be, that they, like Amnesty International are not for sale?

There are several of these “organizations” (read FAKE NEWS promoters) in direct competition with each other. The US government isn’t currently using this one but a more prominent one called… “The ???... foundation” (forgot their name). They have a more polished site... :)

It’s become a lucrative market.
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Re: The unpatriotic dissident

Postby Paphitis » Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:10 am

Get Real! wrote::roll: If you wanna be their lawyer go ahead… the rest of the world knows very well what “freedomhouse” is all about.

Like one of the quotes says… “This self-appointed, proclaimed monitor of freedom…”

When you pay up they write up nice things about you and shit on your enemies... and you’d better believe it.

They provide "custom" solutions to solve your problems! :lol:


btw, that's not what they said. They didn't self appoint themselves but are a global network of civil liberty activists. they call themselves activists and they have their movement.

ABOUT FREEDOM HOUSE
Freedom House is an independent watchdog organization dedicated to the expansion of freedom and democracy around the world.

We analyze the challenges to freedom, advocate for greater political rights and civil liberties, and support frontline activists to defend human rights and promote democratic change. Founded in 1941, Freedom House was the first American organization to champion the advancement of freedom globally.

We recognize that freedom is possible only in democratic political environments where governments are accountable to their own people; the rule of law prevails; and freedoms of expression, association, and belief, as well as respect for the rights of minorities and women, are guaranteed. More than 2.5 billion people live in countries that Freedom House designates “Not Free,” more than a third of the globe’s population.


and

OUR WORK

Freedom House acts as a catalyst for greater political rights and civil liberties through a combination of analysis, advocacy, and action. Our research and analysis frame the policy debate in the United States and abroad on the progress and decline of freedom.

We advocate for U.S. leadership and collaboration with like-minded governments to vigorously oppose dictators and oppression. We amplify the voices of those struggling for freedom in repressive societies and counter authoritarian efforts to weaken international scrutiny of their regimes.

We also empower frontline human rights defenders and civic activists to uphold fundamental rights and to advance democratic change.


seems clear enough to me.
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Re: The unpatriotic dissident

Postby Paphitis » Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:13 am

Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Why wouldn't Australia, Israel or USA pay up then. Come on, it wouldn't be a lot of money either. How much did Cyprus pay to not be included even in the smallest of negative pieces like Russia, Australia, Israel, Saudi Arabia, USA and so on? Did you send them Kolokassi or something?

but could it be, that they, like Amnesty International are not for sale?

There are several of these “organizations” (read FAKE NEWS promoters) in direct competition with each other. The US government isn’t currently using this one but a more prominent one called… “The ???... foundation” (forgot their name). They have a more polished site... :)

It’s become a lucrative market.


in the USA, you would fit in very well among Trumps Le deplorables elements. low information and deluded.

This isn't even a news site. They are activists.

They will go anyone they deem to go against their definitions of Civil Liberties, freedoms, gender equality, Press freedoms, political Freedoms, and Freedom of association. they also go Australia on its asylum Policies and israel over the Gaza blockades and West Bank Settlements among many other things.

And you should brush up on your definition of FAKE news as well. it isn't the Trump definition of "news you don't like". There is actually a scientific meaning to FAKE NEWS.

Some fake news websites use website spoofing, structured to make visitors believe they are visiting trusted sources like ABC News or MSNBC.[18] The New York Times defined "fake news" on the Internet as fictitious articles deliberately fabricated to deceive readers, generally with the goal of profiting through clickbait.[31] PolitiFact described fake news as fabricated content designed to fool readers and subsequently made viral through the Internet to crowds that increase its dissemination.[32]
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Re: The unpatriotic dissident

Postby Get Real! » Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:26 am

They have perfected deceit. Here are a few more paid propagandists.

The international crisis group…

http://old.crisisgroup.org/en/about.html

Epoch Times

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/about-us/
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Re: The unpatriotic dissident

Postby Paphitis » Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:28 am

Get Real! wrote:They have perfected deceit. Here are a few more paid propagandists.

The international crisis group…

http://old.crisisgroup.org/en/about.html

Epoch Times

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/about-us/


Once again, the definition of fake news isn't just the sources or organisations you don't like. fake news is predominately what you would call click bait. Do you see these organisations placing a lot of click bait on the net? They actually post a lot of unclick bait actually and don't get a lot of income from their works because there are only so many who would look at the crisis group for instance.

The NYT or Guardian however don't even need to try any click-bait because they have a huge following.

plus all these groups are irrelevant to freedom House.

And I suppose Sputnik and RT have perfected the truth? Is this right?

Oh and the biggest propagator of Fake News is FYROM. So many under employed computer geeks in their basements making sensationalists click bait news in the hope it goes viral and nets them thousands in advertising.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-02-24/ ... journalism
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Re: The unpatriotic dissident

Postby Robin Hood » Wed Mar 01, 2017 7:51 am

I knew from reading the OP what the intention was ...... and you fell for it!

LR is fishing to get you at one another's throats.

As for the article; the minute I read that Russia had occupied Ukraine (which they have not) and invaded and annexed Crimea (which again is not true) then it was a propaganda piece! LR talks about every one else being hypocritical but look how he defends this guys published accusations against his own country as a right ...... but condemns anyone that does not fall for the story that the UK/US are the pinnacle of honesty, peace, tolerance and compassion and do nothing but good in the world.

Then look at it with a bit of common sense!

Where is Russia conducting military operations ....... Syria (Legally) and ......well I can't think of anywhere else. You could say they have a presence in Eastern Ukraine but that is at the same level as the US coalition has in Syria, although I have not seen any reports of Russia using their air power in Ukraine. They have I believe three military bases outside Russia?

Now look at the Empire of Peace ....... they are currently at war in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and regularly use drones in places like Pakistan. They have over 800 bases World Wide in 150 different countries. They have Russia, China and Iran surrounded with a missile shield to protect US interests (but the US is thousands of miles away), but when Russia puts a missile defence system inside it own territorial border, it is a threat to the western world.

The US has battle fleets all around the world to protect US interests but no doubt would object most strongly, even threaten war, if Russia, China, Iran were to do the same in waters any where near the US mainland or its numerous island bases.

So just an application of common sense says 'someone' has got a grudge against Russia and is using fear tactics and disinformation, as contained in the linked article, on a gullible population to justify claims of a serious threat from Russia to justify their own, far more obvious, aggression. To consider Russia as a peaceful nation has far more credibility than to believe they are a threat ! So Trump is right ..... better to have good relations with Moscow rather than to keep stirring up trouble. You should keep your friends close .... and your enemies (perceived or otherwise) even closer. :roll: :x
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