Does Europe Want Turkey In The EU?
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| Kartal_Aetos wrote: |
There are diplomatic passports for ministers and other politicians...thats the only different type of passport...thats the same in ALL countries so that diplomats are able to travel to other countries more freely  |
You may be correct. My nephew isn't exactly the brightest "light bulb" hanging from the Christmas Tree.!!! |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 1:24 am |
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| Ascot |
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| souroul wrote: |
| europe wants turkey in the eu. what it doesnt want is a shit load of turks pouring into europe |
I do not share these comments. However there is perhaps an issue with some Europeans.
Just remember there are perhaps two (2) countries in this planet that are not particularly liked in Europe.
Israel & Turkey
Both supported by the Americans & English for survival as nations. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 5:12 am |
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| Piratis |
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EU is build based on certain principles and values that Turkey apparently does not adopt. Even for some basic things Turkey needs to be forced to make some reforms.
In the case of Cyprus, Turkey insists that TCs and GCs should stay separate. If Turks believe that 140.000 TCs can not get along with GCs, then how they can convince EU that Europeans and Turks can get along with no problems? |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 5:35 am |
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thank you for those posts piratis and ascot...
back to the point now lol...what do u guys think? does EU really want turkey in the EU? |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:14 am |
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| does EU really want turkey in the EU? |
The majority of EU citizens don't. Also the majority of citizens of each country separately don't want Turkey either (in most countries)
In the case of governments, some do (e.g. UK) some don't (e.g. Austria, Germany, France etc), and some appear neutral (obviously they don't want to dissatisfy the Americans).
I would say that the governments that appear neutral are the most, but those that oppose the Turkish accession are more than those that really want Turkey in EU.
I think that Turkey can join the EU only if EU countries will not have a good excuse to reject Turkey.
The occupation of Cyprus, the human rights violations within Turkey, freedom of press etc, are all good reasons to reject Turkey, and Turkey will have to solve those problems if she wants to have a good chance of joining the EU.
Until now Turkey thought the American support would be enough to put them in EU. I hope they now realized that is not the case. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:47 am |
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| Kikapu wrote: |
| souroul wrote: |
| europe wants turkey in the eu. what it doesnt want is a shit load of turks pouring into europe |
As I said earlier, "Racism comes to mind". |
no. its not about being muslim, and even if it is, thats nowhere near the dominant reason. imagine how many poor fuckers will pour into europe. i mean, theres like 70 million of them over there. the market will take a humongous hit. take that and combine it with a completely different way of life (you know, raised in poverty and under superficial democracy and bla bla bla ), and you have your self a recipe for disaster
i see it everyday here in arizona. the mexican border is like an hour away from me. they dont like them, but not because they are mexican, or brown for that matter, but because crime skyrockets, motor home neighbourhoods are created and so on and so forth. when you throw a shit load of poor people in a significantly different place, you're fucked.
hell, i even saw it in nicosia last year. there was a shit load of illegal immigrants walking around the square asking for money and causing trouble. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:02 am |
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| souroul wrote: |
| Kikapu wrote: |
| souroul wrote: |
| europe wants turkey in the eu. what it doesnt want is a shit load of turks pouring into europe |
As I said earlier, "Racism comes to mind". |
no. its not about being muslim, and even if it is, thats nowhere near the dominant reason. imagine how many poor fuckers will pour into europe. i mean, theres like 70 million of them over there. the market will take a humongous hit. take that and combine it with a completely different way of life (you know, raised in poverty and under superficial democracy and bla bla bla ), and you have your self a recipe for disaster
i see it everyday here in arizona. the mexican border is like an hour away from me. they dont like them, but not because they are mexican, or brown for that matter, but because crime skyrockets, motor home neighbourhoods are created and so on and so forth. when you throw a shit load of poor people in a significantly different place, you're fucked.
hell, i even saw it in nicosia last year. there was a shit load of illegal immigrants walking around the square asking for money and causing trouble. |
Very eloquently put.!!
I think that, Arizona's Hot Desert Sun has claimed another victim, by frying your brain.
Last week, you were in favour of poor people (slave labour) coming into the USA and Cyprus to work for "slave wages" so that you can have a better life. So that your "Big Mac" won't cost you $10 Dollars, if prepared by people making decent livable wage. Just how do you propose to get all this "slave labour" if you don't allow poor people to come into the country.??? |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:22 am |
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Of all the Muslim nations Turkey is the only one to have entered or to have made huge strides in entering the 21st century.The Turkish people are mostly indistinguishable from other mediterranean people , their dress is that of the 21st century , do not grow beards and do not generally walk around with trousers up to their ankles wearing Nike shoes or sandals without socks in freezing weather. Yes , Europe needs Turkey as a valuable member if only to tell the rest of the Muslim world that it is not religion that matters but attitudes to today's world. Greece and Cyprus will benefit politically having Turkey as a fellow member if only to remove that dreadful shadow of a looming conflict. Europeans are currently experiencing an an ant - Muslim feeling generated by the recent events and exacerbated by the influx into Europe of immigrants with no intention of integrating with the natives on the contrary they , the immigrants , are demanding that the guest nation changes its way of life and retracts to the 14th century.
A typical example the "British " Muslim school teacher demanding the right to teach in an English school while covered up from head to toe , basically dressing as people dressed in the dark ages.
Turkish people are not religious fanatics , nationalistic perhaps to an absurd level but definitely not religious fanatic and Europe needs them as members of the most successful ever association of nations. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:40 am |
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| miltiades wrote: |
Of all the Muslim nations Turkey is the only one to have entered or to have made huge strides in entering the 21st century.The Turkish people are mostly indistinguishable from other mediterranean people , their dress is that of the 21st century , do not grow beards and do not generally walk around with trousers up to their ankles wearing Nike shoes or sandals without socks in freezing weather. Yes , Europe needs Turkey as a valuable member if only to tell the rest of the Muslim world that it is not religion that matters but attitudes to today's world. Greece and Cyprus will benefit politically having Turkey as a fellow member if only to remove that dreadful shadow of a looming conflict. Europeans are currently experiencing an an ant - Muslim feeling generated by the recent events and exacerbated by the influx into Europe of immigrants with no intention of integrating with the natives on the contrary they , the immigrants , are demanding that the guest nation changes its way of life and retracts to the 14th century.
A typical example the "British " Muslim school teacher demanding the right to teach in an English school while covered up from head to toe , basically dressing as people dressed in the dark ages.
Turkish people are not religious fanatics , nationalistic perhaps to an absurd level but definitely not religious fanatic and Europe needs them as members of the most successful ever association of nations. |
Well said Miltiades. You have been keeping a "low profile" lately. I hope all is well.!
I also think it's ridiculous for that teacher to cover her self like that. What's the point engaging students in learning when she could not even engage them face to face. By covering her face, she is basically shutting the world out ( both directions ) and serves very little purpose as a Human Being to live amongst others, as to be able to show any kind of expression and emotion to others.
There was a similar situation in Florida few years ago, which a woman who was covered head to toe wanted to get a drivers license, but refused to have her face photographed to be on her drivers license. I can just imagine the comical situation that would arise, when she would be stopped by the State Trooper on the highway. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:53 am |
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Well said Kikapu , I have not been active on the forum due to a "repetitive strain syndrome " injury which has put my right arm almost out of action.
Thanks to my dear friend mrfromng who helped me get my web page very busy I have had little time to my self.
MRFROMNG , put me in touch with a Cypriot expert on "optimization " Ahmed , who did wonders for my site and generated a steady flow of Internet business. In the last month I visited Cyprus twice looking for graffiti (JOKE ! )
and I'm now planning a trip to China , and with my forthcoming visit to Cyprus on the 10th November to celebrate my grand daughters 3 year birthday , it looks like a busy time ahead for me.
Pleased to see you are still in top form ! |
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