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Postby Kikapu » Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:12 am

miltiades wrote:Pleased to see you are still in top form !


I have scaled back a little also from the political discussions and from the Forum. These days I try to have more fun with various topics than get heated up on the political front.

I'm glad to see you have been keeping busy, despite your arm. I'm off next Tuesday to London for couple of days, then to San Francisco for 4 weeks, then back to London for few days, before returning back to Switzerland. I got a lot of family and friends to see in the UK, but if I think I will have some extra time, I will PM you to see whether we can have a drink or two, sometime between Nov 27th - 29th.
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Postby zan » Thu Oct 19, 2006 5:57 pm

How times have changed. Greece was a basket case when it entered the then European Community in 1981. It was propelled in, partly under American pressure (sounds familiar?), before many people, including the European Commission, thought it was ready. During the first three years of membership, an army of Commission officials shuttled between Brussels and Athens to coax, cajole and bully the Greek administration into implementing EC policies and giving up centuries-old Levantine practices and habits.

The shock therapy succeeded, although it took time: by the mid-1980s Jacques Delors was still musing out loud that Greek membership had been a mistake.

If the treatment worked for Greece, can it work for the newcomers? The answer is: probably, up to a point. The trouble is that Commission president Romano Prodi does not have enough armies at his disposal to handle the equivalent of ten recalcitrant Greeces. It will be much better if the newcomers are able to emulate the self-help and self-discipline approach adopted by Simitis and his socialist government since 1996. It has been even more crucial to Greece’s success.

This is not to say that Greece has become a star pupil. It has been less astute in using EU membership (and money) to accelerate economic development than the other poor countries, Portugal and Ireland, with which it is inevitably compared. The nation’s wealth – measured in terms of GDP – is still less than 70 percent of the EU average. Greece is among those EU countries most frequently taken to task by the Commission for failing to implement, or for not implementing correctly, EU directives. It can show the same mean streak as other governments in defending national interests – as over Cyprus.



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Postby souroul » Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:52 pm

Kikapu wrote:
souroul wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
souroul wrote:europe wants turkey in the eu. what it doesnt want is a shit load of turks pouring into europe


As I said earlier, "Racism comes to mind".


no. its not about being muslim, and even if it is, thats nowhere near the dominant reason. imagine how many poor fuckers will pour into europe. i mean, theres like 70 million of them over there. the market will take a humongous hit. take that and combine it with a completely different way of life (you know, raised in poverty and under superficial democracy and bla bla bla ), and you have your self a recipe for disaster

i see it everyday here in arizona. the mexican border is like an hour away from me. they dont like them, but not because they are mexican, or brown for that matter, but because crime skyrockets, motor home neighbourhoods are created and so on and so forth. when you throw a shit load of poor people in a significantly different place, you're fucked.
hell, i even saw it in nicosia last year. there was a shit load of illegal immigrants walking around the square asking for money and causing trouble.


Very eloquently put.!!

I think that, Arizona's Hot Desert Sun has claimed another victim, by frying your brain.

Last week, you were in favour of poor people (slave labour) coming into the USA and Cyprus to work for "slave wages" so that you can have a better life. So that your "Big Mac" won't cost you $10 Dollars, if prepared by people making decent livable wage. Just how do you propose to get all this "slave labour" if you don't allow poor people to come into the country.???


when a few slip the boarder patrol its all good. when 70 million are free to pour into europe, oh they are going to. theres already what, 7-8% unemployment? couple that with a fuck load of turks living in the streets and there you have it

oh and i wasnt in favor of slave labor. i was in favor of cheap labor.
you get slave labor from illegal immigrants
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Postby miltiades » Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:02 pm

Kikapu will be glad to share a drink with you when you are in London. Email me just as soon as you know.
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Postby Kikapu » Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:15 pm

miltiades wrote:Kikapu will be glad to share a drink with you when you are in London. Email me just as soon as you know.


If it becomes a possibility, I'll get in touch with you for sure.
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Postby humanist » Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:34 am

I think The EU is very clear on Turkey becoming a member state. It is clearly in saying we want you if you like all other states respect, honour and adhere to the EU ethos, laws, guidelines and regulations on all issues. Human Rights, Trade Agreements, Social and Economic Developments.

Very clear and very fair.
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Postby Piratis » Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:21 am

humanist wrote:I think The EU is very clear on Turkey becoming a member state. It is clearly in saying we want you if you like all other states respect, honour and adhere to the EU ethos, laws, guidelines and regulations on all issues. Human Rights, Trade Agreements, Social and Economic Developments.

Very clear and very fair.


Exactly.

But the Turks instead of adjusting themselves they expect that EU should adjust to them.

Apparently it is too hard for them to abandon the middle age practices, to stop the illegalities, to allow human rights, and to finally have democracy in Turkey instead of being ruled by the military dictatorship.
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Postby MR-from-NG » Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:40 am

Exactly.

But the Turks instead of adjusting themselves they expect that EU should adjust to them.

Apparently it is too hard for them to abandon the middle age practices, to stop the illegalities, to allow human rights, and to finally have democracy in Turkey instead of being ruled by the military dictatorship.


No bird brain, all Turkey is asking is for the EU is to keep its promises to the TC's re the isolation. Once this promise is kept you will be recognised. The whole f***** world knows this how come you don't, moron.
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Postby Piratis » Thu Nov 16, 2006 2:06 am

mrfromng, are you a representative sample of a "civilized" European Turkish person?

Cyprus is a full EU member, and such decisions are taken collectively within EU. Cyprus never gave any promises regarding the so called isolation, and Cyprus is the country that would be affected by any such decision since it would take place within its borders. Cyprus had always said no to what you are asking for, if you didn't listen and you hoped that our EU partenrs would force things in our country without our concent thats not our problem.

On the other hand Turkey signed an official agreement that it is about to violate. The Europeans are now learning what we always knew: You can never trust the Turkish government. That alone should be enough for EU to stop wasting their time with Turkey.
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Postby MR-from-NG » Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:05 pm

Are you as a GC a true representative of civilised Europe? You were peasants 2 years ago, you've been upgraded to Europeans overnight. Put a racing saddle on a donkey, does it become a race horse?

You have become a thorn on the side of the rest of the EU. It wont be long before they start seeing you for what you really are.

You think the Turks cant be trusted. Well Piratis I beg to differ. I was brought up to never hate anybody, that was the rule in our house. But I was always taught never to trust the Greeks. So you could say it's swings and roundabouts.
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