Armenian genocide resolution
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| ARMENIAN CYPRIOT wrote: |
| T C , I found the article again. Please go to the Turkish Daily News web site and read the article by Mehment Ali Birand written on Mrch 14th of this year . www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=68233 |
Actualy the article turns out to be inaccurate. Birand corrected himself the next day on 15th March.
http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=68306
Apparently Sarafian's visit was cancelled due to pressure from the diaspora, and not because of any restrictions on freedom to access Turkish archives. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:55 am |
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| shahmaran |
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Excellent!  |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 11:25 am |
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| GreekForumer |
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| turkish_cypriot wrote: |
| If anyone needs the archives I can provide them with the information they need for a mere £100 a page |
In August 1914, we know that the male Armenian population between the ages of 20 and 45 is drafted into the Turkish army.
In January 1915, we know that the 18-20 age group and 45-52 age groups are drafted. Also some of the 20-45 age group who managed to defer their service from the August 1914 draft are called up too.
I read somewhere that there was a total of more than 200,000 Armenian males drafted into the Turkish army. The vast majority of these Armenians draftees end up in the labour battalions (i.e. NON COMBATANTS  ) .
Now, Turkey surrendered on 30th October 1918.
The questions I would like answered from the archives are.
1. After the Turkish surrender, when were the Armenian draftees discharged from the Turkish army ?
2. How many Armenian draftees were discharged from the Turkish army ?
AND THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION OF ALL,
3. How did these 200,000(??) discharged draftees REACT when they discovered their wives and children and elderly parents died horrific deaths in the "relocation" ?
I imagine there would be MASSIVE rioting, strangling of Ottoman officials while trying to get information out of them, kicking out squatters who had taken over their houses and businesses, thousands of men going into the desert or other "relocation" centres to search for loved ones, holding Ottoman officials hostage or just killing them outright. 200,000(??) angry Armenian males !! MAYHEM !!
But that's only my imagination.
What do the Turkish archives say happened after these men were discharged ? |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:17 am |
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| I really wouldn't know GF, the archives that are on the internet are only to do with the deportations... |
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| Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 1:20 pm |
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| Nikephoros |
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For the lying Turks on this thread:
Here is a PDF where Sarafian talks about getting blocked out of the Ottoman archives: http://www.gomidas.org/forum/archives.pdf
Also here is a scholarly article about a Turkish dissident sociologist Ismail Besikci:
http://www.let.uu.nl/~martin.vanbruinessen/personal/publications/ismail_besikci.htm
"The court sentenced Beşikçi to 13 years imprisonment for violating the indivisibility of the Turkish nation."
Here is another article about Besikci:
http://www.variant.randomstate.org/6texts/Ismail_Besiki.html
"He has recently been sentenced to 100 years in prison."
Here is how many books Turks are banning in their nation:
http://www.book-fair.com/en/index.php?content=/en/brancheninformationen/buchmaerkte_weltweit/europa/tuerkei/10670/content.html
"In the course of 2005, there has been a decrease in banning books. 22 publishers, 47 authors and 49 books were subjected to trial. Of these, 11 cases resulted in guilty verdicts. Although translators are no longer held responsible for their translations, publishers are continued to be held legally liable for books whose authors mostly live abroad or are foreigners. Above that personal “violation” claims increased in the last years, which show that an easing of tension is still in remote future, not least because of article 301 of the Turkish Penal Code Türk Ceza Kanunu (TCK), which curtails the freedom of speech in relation to statements about turkishness."
You guys expect to have a serious debate with Turks who are not dissidents of the Turkish civilization about this historical subject? Keep waiting...
They will just continue to manipulate what parts of their archives they make public. They will continue to prosecute dissident social scientists and historians. They will continue to massively ban books. They will continue to lie against Armenians like they always do. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 1:16 am |
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| The US House panel approved the resolution 27-21. The measure will now go to the House floor. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 2:31 am |
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| growuptcs wrote: |
| Can you imagine Mr. Gul threatening any lobby in the US about the Armenian genocide like he does in Turkey? Lets see if they laugh him out of the country, or lets see him threaten the media to distort it like he usually does. The brick wall is getting closer and closer. |
Actually, the Turks have been threatening the Bush admin that there will be consequences if the measure is accepted. No more use of roads, no more use of Incirlik, etc. Nothing they haven't done before.
Funny enough, you'd think Bush was a Turkish lobbyist with the amount of effort he's putting into getting it off the table. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:28 pm |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:56 pm |
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| We also have a lot of troops in Afghanistan who they need |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:41 pm |
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| Dinos, don't go by how Bush suck Turkeys ass. The majority of Americans think of him worse than how Blair stepped down. Thats why there will be no breakthrough for the Cyprus problem till the end of 2008 when Bush is gone. |
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