Armenian genocide resolution
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| shahmaran |
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You are totally wrong Epsilon, a genocide has nothing to do with numbers, it is about the motive behind the killings, do not get it mixed up with a "massacre" which is exactly about the number of indiscriminate deaths.
No one is denying the fact that many Armenians died, but so did many Turkish CIVILIANS which no one seems to talk about, this was not about a "sudden" desire of the Young Turks to wipe out the Armenian population out of the blue, it was right in the middle of a serious war.
If you are going to use such bold generalizations about an entire nation then at least get your facts straight. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:35 pm |
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| denizaksulu wrote: |
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I really wonder why nobody cares about the turkish people killed by british, french, italians, greeks, armenians and others during 1914-1922...
it really sounds wierd and unfair. |
Question stupid.!!!! Correction question should be: how many civilians British, Greeks,Armenians killed during 1914-1922?
A genocide can not based on the number of soldiers of the enemy (both sides) were killed. A genocide is based on the number of civilians an army is killed during a war . A genocide is based on how much unhuman the politicians/army of a country was during a war.
This is what Turks do not understand because in their internal affairs neither the life of a Turkish soldier is count neither the life of a civilian- The only scope / target is Turkey to win (Actually not Turkey but generals)
This is generaly the problem of the majority of Turkish people they can not separate actions/things - they learned only black and white coulors-nothing else. This of course is not the point of a democratic state/population |
This description of your, that Turkey only sees Black or White is a true description of most GCs on this forum. Anything or anybody remotely connected to Turkey is Black and everybody else is White. Right? This is Racism , Period. |
Allow me to deny that i belong in this category of people. I have many possitive feelings for many aspects of Turkey as country, including big part of its population . Of course this has nothing to do about my position and feelings about the policies of the Generals. I am one of few who acceptsom of Kurds (PKK) actions as terrorism and in a certain level i recognised the right of Turkey to defend its population.And many others..Just for your informtion, despite our postings and disputes in this forum my best friends are Turks from nainland Turkey. |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:26 am |
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| EPSILON wrote: |
| denizaksulu wrote: |
| EPSILON wrote: |
| karma wrote: |
I really wonder why nobody cares about the turkish people killed by british, french, italians, greeks, armenians and others during 1914-1922...
it really sounds wierd and unfair. |
Question stupid.!!!! Correction question should be: how many civilians British, Greeks,Armenians killed during 1914-1922?
A genocide can not based on the number of soldiers of the enemy (both sides) were killed. A genocide is based on the number of civilians an army is killed during a war . A genocide is based on how much unhuman the politicians/army of a country was during a war.
This is what Turks do not understand because in their internal affairs neither the life of a Turkish soldier is count neither the life of a civilian- The only scope / target is Turkey to win (Actually not Turkey but generals)
This is generaly the problem of the majority of Turkish people they can not separate actions/things - they learned only black and white coulors-nothing else. This of course is not the point of a democratic state/population |
This description of your, that Turkey only sees Black or White is a true description of most GCs on this forum. Anything or anybody remotely connected to Turkey is Black and everybody else is White. Right? This is Racism , Period. |
Allow me to deny that i belong in this category of people. I have many possitive feelings for many aspects of Turkey as country, including big part of its population . Of course this has nothing to do about my position and feelings about the policies of the Generals. I am one of few who acceptsom of Kurds (PKK) actions as terrorism and in a certain level i recognised the right of Turkey to defend its population.And many others..Just for your informtion, despite our postings and disputes in this forum my best friends are Turks from nainland Turkey. |
If you say so Epsilon. But pray help me, I did a search on Google Earth and I had trouble finding the Greek Republic of Cyprus. Can you help. Or is this another of your fantasies.  or is it a pseudo state like TRNC?  |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:39 am |
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| denizaksulu wrote: |
| EPSILON wrote: |
| denizaksulu wrote: |
| EPSILON wrote: |
| karma wrote: |
I really wonder why nobody cares about the turkish people killed by british, french, italians, greeks, armenians and others during 1914-1922...
it really sounds wierd and unfair. |
Question stupid.!!!! Correction question should be: how many civilians British, Greeks,Armenians killed during 1914-1922?
A genocide can not based on the number of soldiers of the enemy (both sides) were killed. A genocide is based on the number of civilians an army is killed during a war . A genocide is based on how much unhuman the politicians/army of a country was during a war.
This is what Turks do not understand because in their internal affairs neither the life of a Turkish soldier is count neither the life of a civilian- The only scope / target is Turkey to win (Actually not Turkey but generals)
This is generaly the problem of the majority of Turkish people they can not separate actions/things - they learned only black and white coulors-nothing else. This of course is not the point of a democratic state/population |
This description of your, that Turkey only sees Black or White is a true description of most GCs on this forum. Anything or anybody remotely connected to Turkey is Black and everybody else is White. Right? This is Racism , Period. |
Allow me to deny that i belong in this category of people. I have many possitive feelings for many aspects of Turkey as country, including big part of its population . Of course this has nothing to do about my position and feelings about the policies of the Generals. I am one of few who acceptsom of Kurds (PKK) actions as terrorism and in a certain level i recognised the right of Turkey to defend its population.And many others..Just for your informtion, despite our postings and disputes in this forum my best friends are Turks from nainland Turkey. |
If you say so Epsilon. But pray help me, I did a search on Google Earth and I had trouble finding the Greek Republic of Cyprus. Can you help. Or is this another of your fantasies. or is it a pseudo state like TRNC? |
why should living in fantasy be the monopoly of only one side? |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 1:00 am |
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I dont think Epsilon is lying actually. I remember him mentioning that hed been to Turkey many times....  |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:53 am |
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| T_C wrote: |
| I dont think Epsilon is lying actually. I remember him mentioning that hed been to Turkey many times.... |
Hope he stays there , up north somewhere in Anatolia where he could be instrumental in the creation of a new "Republic" , may be the "Greek Republic of Malakes "" !!! |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:21 am |
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| miltiades wrote: |
| T_C wrote: |
| I dont think Epsilon is lying actually. I remember him mentioning that hed been to Turkey many times.... |
Hope he stays there , up north somewhere in Anatolia where he could be instrumental in the creation of a new "Republic" , may be the "Greek Republic of Malakes "" !!! |
Miltiades, Have you now become a 'super power' promising land to all and sundry?  |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 1:01 pm |
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| This topic proves how hypocrites Turks are.They are screaming about an alleged genocide which in fact according to the biggest Turkish Grey wolves supporters is in the range of several hundreds and denying the the reports of Americans,Germans,Russians,Austrians for the crimes they committed against civilian Greeks and Armenians in Anatolia.And we are speaking for a number of 1,5 to 2 million perished christians.Get off my sight you laughable hypocrites. |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 1:41 pm |
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| shahmaran wrote: |
You are totally wrong Epsilon, a genocide has nothing to do with numbers, it is about the motive behind the killings, do not get it mixed up with a "massacre" which is exactly about the number of indiscriminate deaths.
No one is denying the fact that many Armenians died, but so did many Turkish CIVILIANS which no one seems to talk about, this was not about a "sudden" desire of the Young Turks to wipe out the Armenian population out of the blue, it was right in the middle of a serious war.
If you are going to use such bold generalizations about an entire nation then at least get your facts straight. |
Shahmaran
If the motive behind "genocide" and as the name suggests, is to wipe out (cleanse . . . -cide) the "geno-" or race (type); then the NUMBER killed would be dependent, and presumably proportional, to the original population so that such killings would have an impact on the gene pool.
So the smaller the countries population, the smaller the number that need to be killed for it to still qualify as a genocide.
(TCs are part of the Turkish pool, ~ 80 Million). |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 2:34 pm |
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I don't think that is very accurate Phoenix, obviously i am also just speculating, but i believe genocide is not only about ethnicity nor the gene pool, it could be the extermination of any ethnic, religious or political group (that is the definition anyway). Therefore making the numbers relative, so if you are wiping out a small political group then it does not have to be proportional to their nationality or anything else. I think "genocide" should be THE MOTIVE behind the killings, for them to be considered as such, there has to be the actual will to exterminate an entire group, which i don't think the Young Turks had at the time.
Otherwise the death of 600,000 Iraqis due to the invasion should be considered as genocide too because that is some serious impact on their gene pool. In fact thats almost how many Armenians died in Turkey. But unfortunately it goes down as either friendly fire or due to some other supposedly "unavoidable" circumstances.
On a more twisted level, apparently that this is the small price the Iraqis must pay for "freedom"
Plus one does not have to succeed either, so who is to say that the TC massacres would have stopped at those 2 famous villages? Obviously they were not simply shot during combat, they were rounded up and butchered, just like Milosevic did back in the day. |
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