Cyprus WHAT A MESS

repulsewarrior · lecturer

...could care less what the parents choose for themselves. if the child chooses his/her education and public support in one language or the other, I care that this Right is equally available to all Cypriots.

...realistically, what is so hard about "Turks" opening schools, hospitals, other services, and "Greeks" opening their own as well, providing service to whoever, as Cypriots.

if you are living in the south, this is most important, so that the free movement, and the association offered to all Cypriots is as it should be in all its varieties. having a past as we do, as the oldest of cultures, having witnessed the birth of several world religions, having adapted from the subjugation of others repeatedly, for millenia, now we have focused on being Greek and/or Turk, what other form of Intolerance can we demonstrate worse than tearing the island in two, as our legacy.

... i can only imagine "gifting' this island, in whole, or its parts, to one or many of the interlopers.

in my Cyprus, i would have a State, Sovereign over all the territory, and strong enough to defend us, its norms and criteria subject to the EU, our representative at the UN; being a member our representation would strive to better these customs. in my Cyprus, i would vote thricely, the sameway any other Cypriot votes, as a Cypriot: for my Turkish Cypriot representative, for my Greek Cypriot representative; in the Upper House, where a President must win a majority of these equally divided seats to lead, and from a third seperate slate, without support from National Parties, an Independant representative, for the Lower House, who vote after sober second thought on the legislation presented before them, and who choose amongst themselves to sit on all Government Committees.

being Bicommunal, in my Cyprus, we would represent ourselves as Persons as well, in National Assemblies, so that, as Communities we can effect our daily lives, and we can demonstrate inclusiveness toward all forms of minorities amongst us, while as majorities, sustaining ourselves. Here is realpower, taxdollars will remain closer to the tax-payer.

in my Cyprus, there are no borders, although there are many frontiers. in my Cyprus too, it makes sense to take the father's name, and i suppose the EU offers the hyphenation of surnames as well.

...but this little mess opens many questions, since it is what the future will bring.

and what is a child if the father is Cypriot, but Sri Lankin?
...must all children "be" "greek/turkish/perhaps maronite and/or armenian/romes/and others in the future should we decide". why not? if we can provide to these children better education, because through their distinctions their identity can thrive, as Cypriots, they will be able to provide in social-exchange with others a service many times more valuable because of its diversity.

is not so simple because Cyprus is 80% "Greek" today. this is not the reality to embrace, and we cannot resist the future. To sustain "Greek", or "Turkish" for that matter, we must secure for ourselves our own governance [(National Assemblies) something TCs have to reform but GCs have to found] And as "Greeks" or as "Turks" we can be welcoming. Yet to secure ourselves as Individuals, within these Communities, it is essential that a Cyprus exists (FRoC or the one i like URoC) to represent us as the stewards, all equal, as this island's dwellers.

So you like two levels of governance; three (or more) governments, Bicommunal: as an Individual, as a Person?

this is where we are, or where we want to get to, because "one" seems absolutely out of the question, and "two" serves the shame of a fait accompli, which was no worse or no better than the displacements which preceded.

a change must be embraced for there to be any end to the Cyprus Problem. in the most realistic terms, for there to be true redress, at least some of the communities should return as communities. these communities, as enclaves receive from their respective National Assemblies the support they need to be (self)sustaining. the fabric of the territories which surround these Jurisdictions are less likely to be affected by this change in demographics, while such a system of repopulation allows for a great deal of growth of the island's population rationally.

l'Etat c'est moi, i love to feel that way when i am in Cyprus, the body of the land is so small. knowing such things as trees where pilgrams call; the dust, and even the air of this little island, are valuable to me...

...someday to feel free, without fear, and happy.

zan · vip

repulsewarrior · lecturer

... whatever the form, I can only see this Qualification (TC or GC) as a way for the authorities (as a single government bicommunal State) to serve this newborn better in the future.

The child is born Cypriot. Many have attested to this in this thread, through their own identity cards.

...having any other choice is what surprises me., (same, same, other)
and if, for whatever reason, two Greek Cypriots decide to claim their child is Turkish Cypriot in another incident, has society a reason to restrict this choice, should it consider promoting these values for its own diversity, or should it act to defend these individuals and their Freewill (simply put) against malice.

zan, it seems you want a perfect system by pointing fingers,...
very few systems are perfect.
...when a man has a panel that needs fixing, and he has many panels, do you tell him to tear it all out,
without thinking of modernising? (and the cost)
your soul is bruised forever, mine too
there is the panel.

i do wish you would reconsider your view on land usage
at issue is redress to all the displaced, not money
acts. humility and Grace
what is better than communities reborn?
and what is wrong with enclaves?

zan · vip