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Postby Kifeas » Sat Jun 02, 2007 8:35 am

bigOz wrote: The truth is Turkish Cypriots exist, they are an ethnic minority in Cyprus with political rights as agreed by past Greek inhabitants, they have the right to self determination if attacked, ……….


They have a right to what, if attacked? Are you just improvising, or what? So far I knew that every one has the right of self-defence, if attacked, but no where have I seen such a meaningless notion like the above! Can you direct us to any source of international law or a human rights declaration that verifies your theory?

bigOz wrote: …. and currently TRNC is a reality whether you like it or not and recognise it or not!


Your real problem is not whether the GCs recognise it or not, but the fact that you are the only ones in the entire globe that do recognise such a “reality!” The rest of the globe recognise it as either areas of the RoC under Turkish occupation, or as the EU does in a more “polite” way, areas of the RoC in which the government of Cyprus can not exercise effective control, due to the “presence” of Turkish troops that prohibit it. (Protocol 10, article 1 of the Treaty of accession of Cyprus into the EU.)

bigOz wrote:.... The important question is WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? Or better still what CAN you do about it.


I won’t fall for your profound arrogance and become one like you; I will however only tell you that you will never know for a fact -but only be left with the agony to guess or imagine, what we will do or will be able to do about it!
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Postby Rain » Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:21 am

DIOGENIS,
I admire your manner character and intelligence . You are right to the point that Greek speaking inhabitants were here six or eight thousand years ego, and not only here in Cyprus, they were almost in all the Mediterranean , North Greece and Asia Minor up to Persia and North India. Cyprus has been subjected to countless invasions by many of its neighbors due to the it’s Geographical position, Copper mines, trees that provided wood for ship building etc. As a matter of fact all the costal areas were stripped of any trees and the area was full of snakes hence, Cats were brought to Cyprus from Jerusalem and were left at the area that is called Cape Gata . Sorry if I detour from the subject however what I wanted to say is that , after so many years of being exposed to invaders and mixed marriages, and reversions and conversions can any one say that the Gc’s today insist that are from a Mainland Greek ancestry? Today many Tc: s thinks that they descended from Mainland Turkey, I respect that however that does not mean I agree with 100%. My theory is that ( I could be wrong ) all who believed that they are from the Mainland Turkey or Greece have left the Island during the British take over of the Island, the ones that remain were actually Moslem and Christian Cypriots who were land owners and believed that this place was their actual home land. There are all over Cyprus Islamic structures dating much before 1571 when the Ottomans came here, and Christian dating 2000 years. In one book that I have read (Last days of Rum;s “Greeks” in Izmir “Zmirni”) mentions that the Rum’s “Greeks” in Izmir “Zmirni” were actually Christian Turks and they were speaking and using the Greek alphabet and language due to the fact that the Bible was written in Greek same as today Turkish speaking people read the Kuran in Arabic.
My point is could this be the same with the Cypriots?
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Postby EPSILON » Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:13 pm

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bigOz wrote: The truth is Turkish Cypriots exist, they are an ethnic minority in Cyprus with political rights as agreed by past Greek inhabitants, they have the right to self determination if attacked, ……….


They have a right to what, if attacked? Are you just improvising, or what? So far I knew that every one has the right of self-defence, if attacked, but no where have I seen such a meaningless notion like the above! Can you direct us to any source of international law or a human rights declaration that verifies your theory?

bigOz wrote: …. and currently TRNC is a reality whether you like it or not and recognise it or not!


Your real problem is not whether the GCs recognise it or not, but the fact that you are the only ones in the entire globe that do recognise such a “reality!” The rest of the globe recognise it as either areas of the RoC under Turkish occupation, or as the EU does in a more “polite” way, areas of the RoC in which the government of Cyprus can not exercise effective control, due to the “presence” of Turkish troops that prohibit it. (Protocol 10, article 1 of the Treaty of accession of Cyprus into the EU.)

bigOz wrote:.... The important question is WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? Or better still what CAN you do about it.


I won’t fall for your profound arrogance and become one like you; I will however only tell you that you will never know for a fact -but only be left with the agony to guess or imagine, what we will do or will be able to do about it!


I wonder. Are there two different KIFEAS in the forum?
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Postby EPSILON » Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:23 pm

Rain wrote:DIOGENIS,
I admire your manner character and intelligence . You are right to the point that Greek speaking inhabitants were here six or eight thousand years ego, and not only here in Cyprus, they were almost in all the Mediterranean , North Greece and Asia Minor up to Persia and North India. Cyprus has been subjected to countless invasions by many of its neighbors due to the it’s Geographical position, Copper mines, trees that provided wood for ship building etc. As a matter of fact all the costal areas were stripped of any trees and the area was full of snakes hence, Cats were brought to Cyprus from Jerusalem and were left at the area that is called Cape Gata . Sorry if I detour from the subject however what I wanted to say is that , after so many years of being exposed to invaders and mixed marriages, and reversions and conversions can any one say that the Gc’s today insist that are from a Mainland Greek ancestry? Today many Tc: s thinks that they descended from Mainland Turkey, I respect that however that does not mean I agree with 100%. My theory is that ( I could be wrong ) all who believed that they are from the Mainland Turkey or Greece have left the Island during the British take over of the Island, the ones that remain were actually Moslem and Christian Cypriots who were land owners and believed that this place was their actual home land. There are all over Cyprus Islamic structures dating much before 1571 when the Ottomans came here, and Christian dating 2000 years. In one book that I have read (Last days of Rum;s “Greeks” in Izmir “Zmirni”) mentions that the Rum’s “Greeks” in Izmir “Zmirni” were actually Christian Turks and they were speaking and using the Greek alphabet and language due to the fact that the Bible was written in Greek same as today Turkish speaking people read the Kuran in Arabic.
My point is could this be the same with the Cypriots?



No Sir, believe me I am elephant!!! Yes I checked carefully the rutes of Gcs and i proved to mt selve that we are all Elephants- I found this in a book!!!!
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Postby Kifeas » Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:29 pm

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Kifeas wrote:
bigOz wrote: The truth is Turkish Cypriots exist, they are an ethnic minority in Cyprus with political rights as agreed by past Greek inhabitants, they have the right to self determination if attacked, ……….


They have a right to what, if attacked? Are you just improvising, or what? So far I knew that every one has the right of self-defence, if attacked, but no where have I seen such a meaningless notion like the above! Can you direct us to any source of international law or a human rights declaration that verifies your theory?

bigOz wrote: …. and currently TRNC is a reality whether you like it or not and recognise it or not!


Your real problem is not whether the GCs recognise it or not, but the fact that you are the only ones in the entire globe that do recognise such a “reality!” The rest of the globe recognise it as either areas of the RoC under Turkish occupation, or as the EU does in a more “polite” way, areas of the RoC in which the government of Cyprus can not exercise effective control, due to the “presence” of Turkish troops that prohibit it. (Protocol 10, article 1 of the Treaty of accession of Cyprus into the EU.)

bigOz wrote:.... The important question is WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? Or better still what CAN you do about it.


I won’t fall for your profound arrogance and become one like you; I will however only tell you that you will never know for a fact -but only be left with the agony to guess or imagine, what we will do or will be able to do about it!


I wonder. Are there two different KIFEAS in the forum?


No Epsilon, there aren't two different Kifeas in the forum! There is only one that chooses to confront the extremists, the morons and the fanatics of both sides!
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Postby EPSILON » Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:29 pm

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EPSILON wrote:IDIOT? IDIOTS ARE ALL GCs and their leadership which, despite they are dealing with an invasion army in North they continue to negotiate for ridiculous solutions and helping the funny state in North to survive and increase the life standard in all respects.


What can we do for the time being? We're all holding our breath waiting for "Mother Greece" to come out with her military might and liberate the enslaved "Mycenean" island! :roll:


...AND AT SAME TIME MAMY!!!AMERICA WILL LEBERATE KURDS IN SOUTHEAST TURKEY!!!!!

Nevertheless your post is just an approval of the fact that what exist in NC as "state" is a result of an invation and power of guns.Even USA had the FAR WEST but life is continue and always changing!!!!

Was you one of the thugs waving EOKA banners in that football game on the Greek side few weeks back? You sure sound like it.

And what with the Kurds - you sound like your Kurdish mates you imported to your side based on "your enmy is my friend" mentality - next they'll claim the rest of the island as Kurdistan.

Just get this one straight you sick F*ck! There was never ever a country by the name of Kurdistan that existed anywhere within today's Turkey's borders - IN ANY HISTORY BOOK IN THE WORLD. Some recent publications, as a direct result of propaganda by the West based on bad intentions, depict areas moved around by Kurdish nomads as Kurdistan, but there is no history behind it whatsoever.

Kurds of Turkey living in South East today do not support PKK and have no desires for independence. They are prospering very fast, with motorways, dams, schools, new housing growing up every day. Few months ago PKK bombed their own kind in the same area, hoping to terrorise them into support. It would have worked in the past, because they would have blamed it on the Turkish army and gained recruits. But that is no more because of the advances in media reporting and Internet. All foreign reporters see the truth within hours of an event.

The only terrorist activity currently in Turkey (by PKK) is imported from Iraq and Iran, and not home produced. With Greece entering EU and stopping their support to them, Russia deciding the same because of warnings from Turkey, and Iraq Kurdistan's no desire for any land from Turkey (or conflict with Turkish forces) PKK are really and truly fucked! South Cyprus must be one of the only places that is a sanctuary for them. Their leader was arrested in Africa by the Turkish Special Forces and brought home like a dog - and this dog had a Cypriot diplomatic passport on him! I hear a lot of bombs keep going off in the Greek side - good luck to you and your guests, more of a reason why we should stick to our federal states if and when there is a solution.

Turkish army hunted the PKK dogs in the mountains of the East and practically exterminated them - the only country to win against terrorism militarily. Now, because of the political vacuum in that part of Iraq, some opportunist bastards are being used again to rekindle the PKK problem. They are much weaker then what they were and are being exterminated on a daily basis before they have a chance to grow up. If you like I'll start posting weekly reports on the number of newly formed PKK hideouts and terrorists destroyed in South East by the military. They have not got a chance in hell!

As for America - they could not even fight the unequipped rebels of Iraq never mind the fully equipped and modernized million members of the Turkish army. To even suggest that America would even consider such a thing would be total stupidity. They'll attack Turkey after they deal with Iran I hope! :lol: After Iran told them to fuck off, they've now gone back with their tails between their legs to "negotiate" - with the Mullahs that is!
"America will liberate Kurds in South East Turkey" what a load of crab from what seems to be a totally misguided ignorant thug!Image


There was not a Kurdistan state / Yes you are right / but in Cyprus there was a Turkish Cypriots state? What therefore is the difference?

Regarding the good life of Kurdish population in South East Turkey- have ever been here? or you just read the Turkish government announcements?

As your opinion about Americans power to put Turkey in the corner in 24hrs you emind me the Greek Junta in 1974- It eems Turkey follow the same destiny
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Postby Rain » Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:08 pm

Fancy that EPSILON, I was under the impression that our ancestors were Apes, not Elephants.
Thanks any way for the information.
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Postby EPSILON » Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:40 pm

Kifeas wrote:
EPSILON wrote:
Kifeas wrote:
bigOz wrote: The truth is Turkish Cypriots exist, they are an ethnic minority in Cyprus with political rights as agreed by past Greek inhabitants, they have the right to self determination if attacked, ……….


They have a right to what, if attacked? Are you just improvising, or what? So far I knew that every one has the right of self-defence, if attacked, but no where have I seen such a meaningless notion like the above! Can you direct us to any source of international law or a human rights declaration that verifies your theory?

bigOz wrote: …. and currently TRNC is a reality whether you like it or not and recognise it or not!


Your real problem is not whether the GCs recognise it or not, but the fact that you are the only ones in the entire globe that do recognise such a “reality!” The rest of the globe recognise it as either areas of the RoC under Turkish occupation, or as the EU does in a more “polite” way, areas of the RoC in which the government of Cyprus can not exercise effective control, due to the “presence” of Turkish troops that prohibit it. (Protocol 10, article 1 of the Treaty of accession of Cyprus into the EU.)

bigOz wrote:.... The important question is WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? Or better still what CAN you do about it.


I won’t fall for your profound arrogance and become one like you; I will however only tell you that you will never know for a fact -but only be left with the agony to guess or imagine, what we will do or will be able to do about it!


I wonder. Are there two different KIFEAS in the forum?


No Epsilon, there aren't two different Kifeas in the forum! There is only one that chooses to confront the extremists, the morons and the fanatics of both sides!


Ok Kifeas clear enough. By he way in fanatics, morons, extremists, do you include all these GCs voted against Annan plan? What about my previeus question about the present situation in comparizon of all solutions resulted of your clever negotiations with the invators- are better?
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Postby bigOz » Mon Jun 04, 2007 11:59 am

Kifeas, knowing I do not access the computer at the weekends you are putting a very brave fight against my posts few days old rather than reply to them at the time. That speaks volumes to me! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Let me tell you something, TRNC does exist and it WILL be recognised soon if fools like you and Epsilon are in the mistaken belief that Europe or any other economic power really gives a fuck about Cyprus' 50 year old on going problem. My problem is, I shall miss the look on your faces when that day comes! :lol:

GCs had lost a lot in the past because of their false belief that things would not happen because other nations will not let it or protect them. Prior to 1974 invasion, GC fanatics used to taunt the TCs singing songs that incorporated words like "I have been waiting but you have not showed up...", and making jokes cartoons about it. The biggest GC national guard military camp in Famagusta had it written in huge letters: "IF YOU HAVE THE BALLS, COME AND GET IT!"

So what happened? Turkey invaded, the same camp is now used by the TC military and the writing has been changed to "I HAVE THE BALLS, I'VE COME AND I'VE GOT IT!". And when you wake up every morning in Nicosia, you see the image of the TRNC flag on the mountains staring at you - recognised or not! Carry on with your over confident belief that TRNC will never be recognised and refuse all proposals for a federal solution and you'll soon get another message that will shock you! :D
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:30 pm

bigOz wrote:Let me tell you something, TRNC does exist and it WILL be recognised soon if fools like you and Epsilon are in the mistaken belief that Europe or any other economic power really gives a fuck about Cyprus' 50 year old on going problem. My problem is, I shall miss the look on your faces when that day comes! :lol:

GCs had lost a lot in the past because of their false belief that things would not happen because other nations will not let it or protect them. Prior to 1974 invasion, GC fanatics used to taunt the TCs singing songs that incorporated words like "I have been waiting but you have not showed up...", and making jokes cartoons about it. The biggest GC national guard military camp in Famagusta had it written in huge letters: "IF YOU HAVE THE BALLS, COME AND GET IT!"

So what happened? Turkey invaded, the same camp is now used by the TC military and the writing has been changed to "I HAVE THE BALLS, I'VE COME AND I'VE GOT IT!". And when you wake up every morning in Nicosia, you see the image of the TRNC flag on the mountains staring at you - recognised or not! Carry on with your over confident belief that TRNC will never be recognised and refuse all proposals for a federal solution and you'll soon get another message that will shock you! :D

We are very much aware of Turkey's size, manpower, and military expenditure, etc, so when push goes to shove I think it will be Turkey that will have the most surprises as she is the one that underestimates the RoC.

Most wars don't last longer than a month and the RoC can muster around 100,000 men, have stockpiles of modern firepower including the ability to strike deep into southern Turkey (and they would be stupid if they didn’t), and have every reason to fight to the end as they have nowhere else to go anyway.

On the other hand, Turkey’s fragile political nature coupled with the shock of fierce resistance and that of the fight spilling onto Turkish soil with civilian casualties could make the Turkish regime capitulate from embarrassment and scurry to the negotiating table as they will most likely be expecting a re-run of July 1974!
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