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[zan]

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After all that gobbledygook, and I will put it in Nikitas "simple terms", who are you going to talk to then?????


Campaign to every country in the world but then???????

[Kypriotiki]

pray tell, what is the gobbledeygook part? Perhaps the word "Turkey" reminded you of the word, "gobble" by association?

[Kypriotiki]

From atcanews.org website:

Name: Mümin Türk
E-mail: [email protected]
Date Posted: 02:12, 19 08 2007
Message: Observer,
You claim someone has writtain under your name. Although this may well be true. You have used it as a perfect excuse to divert the attention to that area rather than to actually counter my post.

Sony lutfen bizim aramizda soruncikartma kardes. Esmer abinin soylediklerinde hak var, cunku:

"Ey inananlar! Yahudi ve hýristiyanlarý dost edinmeyin. Onlar birbirlerinin dostlarýdýrlar. Sizden kim onlarý dost edinirse kuþkusuz o da onlardandýr. Þüphesiz Allah zalimler topluluðunu doðruya iletmez"
Kur'an i Kerim, Sure Maide (5:51)


Well Zan, I believe your Turkish Cypriot friend here has confirmed my argument that Turkish national zeal and Islam have produced this rather strong and yet perilous "fusion" which defines Turkish/Turkish Cypriot identity today, somehow bypassing Kemalist secularism, and gleaning from it only the ethnic zeal of "Turkishness", then giving it an Islamic flavor so as to make it more palatable for neighboring countries that are predominantly Muslim, and eliciting empathy and support from them as well. Here he is quoting the Prophet (Muhammed) where he advises good "believers" or "inanlar" (Muslims) not to befriend Christians and Jews. But this also defines how Turkish Cypriots expect to negotiate with us "Gavur" Greeks, always reminding us that we owe them tribute for being "dhimmi", if not just for being non-Turks. Who can argue with the Prophet's "sura" though! It is good enough to justify the destruction of Orthodox churches and monasteries, as well as vandalizing them and selling them to American art dealers (remember the case of Peg Goldman vs. the Church of Cyprus)? If not here's a reminder:


http://www.archaeology.org/online/featu ... index.html

[zan]

From atcanews.org website:

Name: Mümin Türk
E-mail: [email protected]
Date Posted: 02:12, 19 08 2007
Message: Observer,
You claim someone has writtain under your name. Although this may well be true. You have used it as a perfect excuse to divert the attention to that area rather than to actually counter my post.

Sony lutfen bizim aramizda soruncikartma kardes. Esmer abinin soylediklerinde hak var, cunku:

"Ey inananlar! Yahudi ve hýristiyanlarý dost edinmeyin. Onlar birbirlerinin dostlarýdýrlar. Sizden kim onlarý dost edinirse kuþkusuz o da onlardandýr. Þüphesiz Allah zalimler topluluðunu doðruya iletmez"
Kur'an i Kerim, Sure Maide (5:51)


Well Zan, I believe your Turkish Cypriot friend here has confirmed my argument that Turkish national zeal and Islam have produced this rather strong and yet perilous "fusion" which defines Turkish/Turkish Cypriot identity today, somehow bypassing Kemalist secularism, and gleaning from it only the ethnic zeal of "Turkishness", then giving it an Islamic flavor so as to make it more palatable for neighboring countries that are predominantly Muslim, and eliciting empathy and support from them as well. Here he is quoting the Prophet (Muhammed) where he advises good "believers" or "inanlar" (Muslims) not to befriend Christians and Jews. But this also defines how Turkish Cypriots expect to negotiate with us "Gavur" Greeks, always reminding us that we owe them tribute for being "dhimmi", if not just for being non-Turks. Who can argue with the Prophet's "sura" though! It is good enough to justify the destruction of Orthodox churches and monasteries, as well as vandalizing them and selling them to American art dealers (remember the case of Peg Goldman vs. the Church of Cyprus)? If not here's a reminder:


http://www.archaeology.org/online/featu ... index.html

One swallow does not a summer make, my friend...

[Nikitas]

Zan,

Both sides in the Cyprus problem campaign actively in the international arena to make their case. Nothing wrong with that. Since the EU accession there is a lot more than just campaigning inorder to make a good impression, the EU attitude will have a substantive effect on the final shape of a solution in terms of how much of the European legal order will be incorporated in the Cypriot constitution. So you campaign overseas to turn things in your favor in a legitimate campaign.

As for your question "who you talk to", well who do we talk to? Can Mr Talat enter into any agreement re the Turkish army and its future status on the island? Can he order the army to stand down from the cease fire line? Can he deliver Famagusta back to its inhabitants? According to the daily reviews of the Turkish Cypriot press that I read he cannot. Remember that statement by mr Erdogan after the Swiss meeting (cant recal the name of the town, was it Burgenstock?). He said we got what we wanted without returning an inch of territory.... which shows who is in command. So who do we talk to? Talat does not have the power to bind Turkey and Turkey will not talk to Cyprus because it does not recognise it.

[Viewpoint]

Zan,

Both sides in the Cyprus problem campaign actively in the international arena to make their case. Nothing wrong with that. Since the EU accession there is a lot more than just campaigning inorder to make a good impression, the EU attitude will have a substantive effect on the final shape of a solution in terms of how much of the European legal order will be incorporated in the Cypriot constitution. So you campaign overseas to turn things in your favor in a legitimate campaign.

As for your question "who you talk to", well who do we talk to? Can Mr Talat enter into any agreement re the Turkish army and its future status on the island? Can he order the army to stand down from the cease fire line? Can he deliver Famagusta back to its inhabitants? According to the daily reviews of the Turkish Cypriot press that I read he cannot. Remember that statement by mr Erdogan after the Swiss meeting (cant recal the name of the town, was it Burgenstock?). He said we got what we wanted without returning an inch of territory.... which shows who is in command. So who do we talk to? Talat does not have the power to bind Turkey and Turkey will not talk to Cyprus because it does not recognise it.

You guys still dont get it, you have to talk to Talat and if he is convinced of your sincerity he will work closely with Turkey towards his goal. But Talat has been given nothing to work for as the GC leadership has only just decided to meet with him which imo is just another GC stunt to boost votes in the looming elections.

[EPSILON]

Recep Tayyip Erdogan: " Any one who disagree with Abdullah Gul to be president must loose his nationality and depart from Turkey"!!!!!

Turkey is a democratic country. , and I am an astronaft!!!

[zan]

Zan,

Both sides in the Cyprus problem campaign actively in the international arena to make their case. Nothing wrong with that. Since the EU accession there is a lot more than just campaigning inorder to make a good impression, the EU attitude will have a substantive effect on the final shape of a solution in terms of how much of the European legal order will be incorporated in the Cypriot constitution. So you campaign overseas to turn things in your favor in a legitimate campaign.

As for your question "who you talk to", well who do we talk to? Can Mr Talat enter into any agreement re the Turkish army and its future status on the island? Can he order the army to stand down from the cease fire line? Can he deliver Famagusta back to its inhabitants? According to the daily reviews of the Turkish Cypriot press that I read he cannot. Remember that statement by mr Erdogan after the Swiss meeting (cant recal the name of the town, was it Burgenstock?). He said we got what we wanted without returning an inch of territory.... which shows who is in command. So who do we talk to? Talat does not have the power to bind Turkey and Turkey will not talk to Cyprus because it does not recognise it.

You talk to Talat as the representative of the TC people and we put pressure on him and he can then put pressure on Turkey. It is a circle that the "RoC" has pissed of at least two thirds of and the people are the last link. That is the what Talat said in his speech. One minute you sound very intelligent and fair but then you spout off the same excuses that the "RoC' has been giving the world for decades. The World is seeing through it and has had enough. The Turkish Cypriot people are seeing through it and have had enough. The Turkish Cypriots abroad is seeing through it and has had enough. Enough is enough........

[the_snake_and_the_crane]

Zan, who has the final word in the north of Cyprus? Talat or Ankara?

[zan]

Zan, who has the final word in the north of Cyprus? Talat or Ankara?

If allowed to...The Turkish Cypriot people....Even Turkey cannot go against our will...We will never turn on Turkey either..She will always be our friend.