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[denizaksulu]

Big Oz you are brilliant. I also like to quote foreign sources as I never like to be accused of"propaganda". The trouble is I lost my references on my old PC. Keep em coming.

[Get Real!]

Big Oz you are brilliant. I also like to quote foreign sources as I never like to be accused of"propaganda". The trouble is I lost my references on my old PC. Keep em coming.

You easily impressed my asparagus friend.

[growuptcs]

Is it propoganda denizaksulu, or pot calling the kettle black tactics that you don't want to be accused of? Either which tactic it is, we both have to agree on the outcome for you to move on or dream on.

[Nikephoros]

Turkish Cypriots why are you such liars?

The majority of TC enclaves were attacked and their military opposition was totally neutralized as a result of the Turkish invasion, since that event made the National Guard decide the time to hit the enclaves had to come. Since the National Guard had to deal with the openly treasonous Turkish Cypriot community at the time of the invasion and destroy their illegal enclaves all TCs were rounded up into ad-hoc facilities, so they could not compound their treasonous behaviors by assisting the Turkish army when they are rounded up like cattles.

Some web sources about the Vienna talks in 1975:
http://www.cyprusembassy.net/home/index ... age&pid=21
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c ... .RES.65.IS:

Greek Cypriot negotiators had signed an agreement with the Turks in Vienna during August, 1975 to allow 20,000 Greek Cypriots mostly in the Karpas peninsula to live in peace enclaved behind the Turkish military lines. In return the captured traitor Turkish Cypriots were transported back behind the Turkish military lines by official Cypriot authorities at the time(Greek Cypriots only since Turkish Cypriots have always been tratiors to the Cyprus Republic).

So the official Turkish position which lying Turkish members keep repeating variations of, was nothing but an well known and open lie to anyone with a knowledge of actual history, since before the Turkish invasion none of these things happened or could have happened because TCs lived in treasonous enclaves that were never attacked till the invasion:

http://www.trncpresidency.org/about_trnc/breakdown.html
"On 15 July 1974 Greek troops assembled in Cyprus for the purpose of overthrowing Archbishop Makarios and making Nicos Sampson the new president. A coup d’etat was started and they began to kill not only fellow Greek Cypriots but also Turkish Cypriots. The Turkish Cypriots asked for help from the guarantor states, but only Turkey responded. On 20 July 1974 motherland Turkey sent troops to Cyprus in order to save the lives of the Turkish Cypriots. This intervention by Turkey, called a “peace operation” by the Turkish Cypriots, was legal according to Article IV of the Treaty of Guarantee."

[Kifeas]

You did not answer the questions!!!

I have seen no questions to answer!

[Kifeas]

I lived the events of 1974, too many things can be said regarding that period of time that the Cypriots had suffered. I hope and pray that it never happens again. However I must say to all that when Mr Samson completed his cleansing with his greek opponents his EOKA B was going to carry out the last part of the Akridas plan which was to put a complete end to the presence of any Turkish Cypriots in Cyprus so that he could be able to declare Enosis with Greece.
The Turkish Army had to intervene to stop the massacre of the Turkish people. Perhaps it could have been different if Britain cooperated as a guarantor to the Constitution of the Republic but as we all know that the partition of the Island benefited Britain much more than been united.
I still think that we must not argue for the past,only look for the future that no more mothers cry and no children are left without parents.

If what you have said above reflected the truth, Turkey would have had no problem going to the ICJ court, when challenged by the RoC! The fact remains that Turkey refused, simply because it had no case to prove! What you have posted above, is nothing more than a total nonsense that can be easily ridiculed, and it shows your one-sided perspective and the fact that you neither lived the events, nor have read anything regarding the history of Cyprus outside the ATCA and the “TRNC” propaganda websites!

As a starter, please quote to me this “last part” of the Akritas plan that indicates what you have mentioned above! Here is the Akritas plan, and please feel free to ridicule yourself!

http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/akritas_plan.htm

[MR-from-NG]

Turkish Cypriots why are you such liars? The majority of TC enclaves were attacked and their military opposition was totally neutralized as a result of the Turkish invasion, since that event made the National Guard decide the time to hit the enclaves had to come. Since the National Guard had to deal with the openly treasonous Turkish Cypriot community at the time of the invasion and destroy their illegal enclaves all TCs were rounded up into ad-hoc facilities, so they could not compound their treasonous behaviors by assisting the Turkish army when they are rounded up like cattles.

Some web sources about the Vienna talks in 1975:
http://www.cyprusembassy.net/home/index ... age&pid=21
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c ... .RES.65.IS:

Greek Cypriot negotiators had signed an agreement with the Turks in Vienna during August, 1975 to allow 20,000 Greek Cypriots mostly in the Karpas peninsula to live in peace enclaved behind the Turkish military lines. In return the captured traitor Turkish Cypriots were transported back behind the Turkish military lines by official Cypriot authorities at the time(Greek Cypriots only since Turkish Cypriots have always been tratiors to the Cyprus Republic).

So the official Turkish position which lying Turkish members keep repeating variations of, was nothing but an well known and open lie to anyone with a knowledge of actual history, since before the Turkish invasion none of these things happened or could have happened because TCs lived in treasonous enclaves that were never attacked till the invasion:

http://www.trncpresidency.org/about_trnc/breakdown.html
"On 15 July 1974 Greek troops assembled in Cyprus for the purpose of overthrowing Archbishop Makarios and making Nicos Sampson the new president. A coup d’etat was started and they began to kill not only fellow Greek Cypriots but also Turkish Cypriots. The Turkish Cypriots asked for help from the guarantor states, but only Turkey responded. On 20 July 1974 motherland Turkey sent troops to Cyprus in order to save the lives of the Turkish Cypriots. This intervention by Turkey, called a “peace operation” by the Turkish Cypriots, was legal according to Article IV of the Treaty of Guarantee."

Are you serious about your source? You want us TCs to read that piece of shit and take it seriously? Are out of your tiny little mind?

Your whole history for the period of 63-74 is made up of a pack of lies. O.J. Simpson got away with murder, you however think you have. Until there is an official apology from your terrorist president you will not have a chance of a united island.

In fact we should never give you the pleasure of integration, keep our distance to that of today and we are just fine. Any closer would be a grave mistake on our part.

Long live the TRNC.

[Nikephoros]

Well it is too hard for you to read but in the Vienna agreements in 1975 is when the Turkish side neogotiated to get many of the captured and treasonous TCs behind Turkish military lines in exchange for allowing 20,000 Christians to live in the Karpass peninsula.

But the Turks never meant to ever accept that agreement just like they never meant to be peaceable. It is a well known muslim tactic to violate agreements:


"Among classical [Islamic] jurists (Shaybani 1966 ;Tabari 1990. 15-6 ; Ibn Rushd 1995, 656), the peace between dar al-lslam [abode of peace] and Dar al-harb [abode of war] means the temporary suspension of military conflict. Despite their disagreement on the duration of a peace treaty, Muslim jurists are in accord on the provisional status of peace with non-believers. The term used is "hudna" meaning "truce" or "armistice". This view is totally consistent with the principle of total war against polytheism that we discussed above."

From the Canadian Thesis:
"Islam and War : the disparity between the technological-normative evolution of modern war and the doctrine of Jihad"
http://amicus.collectionscanada.ca/s4-b ... &rp=1&vo=1
pg. 115 but on my PDF reader it is pg. 134

[MR-from-NG]

The link I was referring to was your cyprusembassy one. As for your comments on treaties and non compliance by Muslims, well who gives a shit about Muslims or christians or orthodox. I don't care for religion and have no time for religious people. We are talking GC and TC here.

Furthermore this is all very rich coming from somebody who tore up the constitution within 3 years and went on a killing spree for their desire of ENOSIS. Please mate even if you are blind to your crimes the rest of the world aren't. Your game is up. You've been caught red handed.

[Get Real!]

The link I was referring to was your cyprusembassy one. As for your comments on treaties and non compliance by Muslims, well who gives a shit about Muslims or christians or orthodox. I don't care for religion and have no time for religious people. We are talking GC and TC here.

Furthermore this is all very rich coming from somebody who tore up the constitution within 3 years and went on a killing spree for their desire of ENOSIS. Please mate even if you are blind to your crimes the rest of the world aren't. Your game is up. You've been caught red handed.

What's up buddy don't you like ENOSIS???