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Postby miltiades » Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:30 am

Eliko wrote:miltiades, thank you, I knew you had a sense of humour, let's keep it that way. :lol:

Eliko my sense of humour IS the restraining force when it comes to reading some of your views. I mentioned many times that my tollerance levels when it comes to absurd suppositions and ludicrous analogies such as the ones you have often made " yes but what else can they do "
"their country was invaded how else can they fight " that is when my tollerance is at zero.
I find some of your views , if not most , to be utterly reprehensible not least the extreme hatred you appear to have for the West and in particular the USA.

You mentioned my "rudeness " earlier on , let me correct you there Eliko . I'm a straight talker as well as where appropriate , a benevolent autocrat .

You have not UNRESERVEDLY condemned the suiside attacks in London , you have stated time and time again ""YES But ........."
A crime as hideous as exploding ones self on a London Bus is beyond comparison , no justification or examination of the roots of such vile acts should enter the discussion. We all know what drives these lunatics to such actions.
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Postby denizaksulu » Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:36 pm

[quote="miltiades"]Eliko , I do not want to get into more arguments with you since we are so far apart in our interpretation of most situations. Here is what Mr.Brown , the UK Prime Minister has just said on his firsts interview on British TV.

"""""A number of extremists who are prepared to cause maximum death and destruction in the interest of their perversion of their religion """"

The immigrants who came to the UK from these nations were clearly , as you say , not prepared to adopt our codes of conduct , they were however very much prepared to accept our benefits and hand outs. We have nothing to learn from cultures that consider the honour of an entire family to be located somewhere in between a females' legs. A culture that considers our women to be slugs prostitutes decadent and considers the night clubs as a legitimate target is a culture of the barbarians.
The extremists that Mr Brown referred to were brought up hating our way of life because they were indoctrinated from an early age to adopt such behaviour. These extremists are not welcomed in the UK or anywhere else in Europe , their method is barbaric and they are consumed by an immense amount of hatred towards all those , including main stream Muslims , who do not share their perverted ideology. There is no justification than can be excused for such barbaric acts and no civilized human can possibly justify such murderous attacks on the grounds that , as you say "Have you ever wondered WHY these people instruct their siblings to adopt such an adverse attitude to we of the West ?. """

You also state the following :

"""Given that they do not wish to adopt our codes of conduct, would it not be fair to at least consider their grievances?, there may be some justification in their reluctance to integrate with us. """

What may I ask do we have to do in order that these "enemy within " are encouraged to integrate. Well we know from these extremists that there is only one change that they want us to instigate. Cover our women up , pray five times a day , forgo our traditional breakfast of egg and bacon get rid of our pets grow a beard and have sharia law.NOT BLOODY LIKELY.[/quote]

After all that was said and done as dusted, as per your quote; I do not disagree with most of the points. But if you go to the market and find some lovely apricots all the way from lets say Cyprus; I am sure you pick the best and discard the bad ones? I am also sure there are certain characteristics of western culture which you disagree with. I am terrified of the day my 9 tear old grand daughter will one day come home from scholl and say, "hey grand dad, do you know what we learnt at school today? Yes, they showed us how to use a condom on a cucumber!" Ok we have to move with times, but hey, if there is allegedly some sort of ,democracy, they will pick and choose. My friend just think about it. That may be an extreme view, but WE do pick what we like and reject the rest. Its human nature. Otherwise agreed. It just proves how weak the goverment is.
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Postby miltiades » Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:25 pm

"""""After all that was said and done as dusted, as per your quote; I do not disagree with most of the points. But if you go to the market and find some lovely apricots all the way from lets say Cyprus; I am sure you pick the best and discard the bad ones? I am also sure there are certain characteristics of western culture which you disagree with. I am terrified of the day my 9 tear old grand daughter will one day come home from scholl and say, "hey grand dad, do you know what we learnt at school today? Yes, they showed us how to use a condom on a cucumber!" Ok we have to move with times, but hey, if there is allegedly some sort of ,democracy, they will pick and choose. My friend just think about it. That may be an extreme view, but WE do pick what we like and reject the rest. Its human nature. Otherwise agreed. It just proves how weak the goverment is.
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I agree Deni that there are are some aspects in the UK that are totally unacceptable not only to the immigrants but also to the natives. When you look at how extreme the political correctness code is then you are entitled to complain and disregard such nonsense even though you may be in some way not be acting within the law.
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Postby Eliko » Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:23 pm

[quote="miltiades.



You have not UNRESERVEDLY condemned the suiside attacks in London , you have stated time and time again ""YES But ........."
A crime as hideous as exploding ones self on a London Bus is beyond comparison , no justification or examination of the roots of such vile acts should enter the discussion. We all know what drives these lunatics to such actions.[/quote]


Miltiades, before UNRESERVEDLY condemning anything, one should be equipped with a sound knowledge of that which one wishes to condemn.

You state that 'We all know' the reasons, you embelish that statement with the usual miltiades's assessment that they are 'lunatics', yet earlier in one of your posts you highlight the fact that there are doctors and other professionals among their ranks.

Are you stating that they are also 'lunatics?'.

Kindly inform us of what 'We all know', for I am sure that is the very reason why I authored the thread 'Patriotism' in an effort to find out.

The usual outbursts of 'Brainwashing' and such will not do I'm afraid, I would like to dig deeper and discover what prompts even they who instigate the alleged 'Brainwashing' to do so.

If you KNOW the 'Root Causes' please enlighten us. :roll:
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Postby Kristianikos » Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:58 pm

Hey..

I live in the UK.. and to be completly honest... this terrorism doesn't frighten me...

ofcourse it's terrible...and very local to me.. but for some reason it feels that it's 100000km's away... :?
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Postby Exorcist-seeker » Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:00 pm

The problem in the UK is the Muslim Community, They are Fanatics who worship a man who said on 2 occassions in the Kuran that he would use war and death to expand the islamic religion.... But do your research and have your own opinion, this is also the same man (Mohammed) who married a 6 Year Old girl (Yes 6 years old), and had sex with her at the age of 9!!!! Now tell me this is not a peadophile who was demented and a phycho.

His visions were in a cave where he lived for 6 months.... ever considered these were dilusions and he was in a cave for a reason? as he was a social misfit and he was banished from his village for sexual issues againts kids!!

The guy sounds like sme demented weirdo... If you believe in Mohammed then i expect you people to belive Gary Glitter is a prophet along with every other peadophile!!
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Postby Eliko » Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:02 pm

Kristianikos, it IS, though not as far away as that, Iraq and Afghanistan spring to mind. :wink:
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Postby Eliko » Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:12 pm

Exorcist-seeker wrote:The problem in the UK is the Muslim Community, They are Fanatics who worship a man who said on 2 occassions in the Kuran that he would use war and death to expand the islamic religion.... But do your research and have your own opinion, this is also the same man (Mohammed) who married a 6 Year Old girl (Yes 6 years old), and had sex with her at the age of 9!!!! Now tell me this is not a peadophile who was demented and a phycho.

His visions were in a cave where he lived for 6 months.... ever considered these were dilusions and he was in a cave for a reason? as he was a social misfit and he was banished from his village for sexual issues againts kids!!

The guy sounds like sme demented weirdo... If you believe in Mohammed then i expect you people to belive Gary Glitter is a prophet along with every other peadophile!!



I think you should keep your head down son, spouting that kind of view can put you in a precarious position in certain places.

Salman Rushdie may have been dubbed with a ceremonial sword, YOU my friend, may find the sword applied in a different manner. :roll:
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Postby Exorcist-seeker » Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:15 pm

Eliko are you shying away from the truth???? I take it your a muslim in denial!!!

Facts are facts, its as simple as it gets!
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Postby Eliko » Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:23 pm

Exorcist-seeker, I am not of the faith, I merely advise you that such comments as you have made should be kept to yourself, unless you have read the holy book and can substantiate your claims based on sound knowledge, one of the greatest offences you can commit (particularly in today's climate) is to utter such insult to those who worship the prophet, "Only a fool would enter a Lion's den and expect to be greeted by a lamb", have sense lad. :roll:
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