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82% - 18% partition solution.

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby -mikkie2- » Thu Feb 24, 2005 1:34 pm

Well, in that case the Cyprus problem will never be solved.
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Postby magikthrill » Thu Feb 24, 2005 1:53 pm

insan wrote:
It's you that refusing to accept the ceratin things not me.


I can accept that fact that interfering was a peace operation (that phrase is exaggerated but for saek of conversation i will still use it) since it was protected by the RoC constitution. But the illegal occupation? 9-11 was more of a peace operation than that!

Aside from international law (which as I have stated many TCs tend to disregard) in humane terms (because we are all human beings here) it is exceptionally disrespectful to be occupying land and houses that do not belong to you.

And remember I am talking about the present, so please let's not play the history game. Remember: you always lose.
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Postby insan » Thu Feb 24, 2005 2:08 pm

I can accept that fact that interfering was a peace operation (that phrase is exaggerated but for saek of conversation i will still use it) since it was protected by the RoC constitution. But the illegal occupation? 9-11 was more of a peace operation than that!



Occupation is a consequence of on-going negotiations to find out a permenant solution to Cyprus problem. And as long as GC leadership together with its mainland backers have insisted on majority-rule aka GC dominated Cyprus; occupation will continue. But if they reach an agreement upon giving %10-15 whatever land back to GC administartion and exchange of properties before a comprehensive settlement; the remaining part of the problem will be return of refugees, restitution of properties, power sharing, economy, withdrawal of feoreign troops and reducing the number of National Guard troops etc..

Aside from international law (which as I have stated many TCs tend to disregard) in humane terms (because we are all human beings here) it is exceptionally disrespectful to be occupying land and houses that do not belong to you.


As above mentioned.

And remember I am talking about the present, so please let's not play the history game. Remember: you always lose.


irrelevant.
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Postby magikthrill » Thu Feb 24, 2005 2:31 pm

insan wrote:Occupation is a consequence of on-going negotiations to find out a permenant solution to Cyprus problem. And as long as GC leadership together with its mainland backers have insisted on majority-rule aka GC dominated Cyprus; occupation will continue. But if they reach an agreement upon giving %10-15 whatever land back to GC administartion and exchange of properties before a comprehensive settlement; the remaining part of the problem will be return of refugees, restitution of properties, power sharing, economy, withdrawal of feoreign troops and reducing the number of National Guard troops etc..


Illegally occupying land is a terrorist form of negotiating.


As above mentioned.



irrelevant.


I'm glad.
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Postby insan » Thu Feb 24, 2005 2:34 pm

Illegally occupying land is a terrorist form of negotiating.


Whole world well know the reason of on-going occupation. They know why Turkey keep maintaining her troops in North Cyprus.
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Postby -mikkie2- » Thu Feb 24, 2005 2:41 pm

Thats why the UN, the CoE, the EU Parliament has repetedly stated that the occupation of Cyprus continues to be illegal!

There is the Turkish truth and the rest of the world truth. Unfortunately, the two are mutually exclusive!
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Postby insan » Thu Feb 24, 2005 2:46 pm

Thats why the UN, the CoE, the EU Parliament has repetedly stated that the occupation of Cyprus continues to be illegal!


Yes. All of them call uppon all parties to return to legality. Includes Greek troops in South and the excessively high number of National gurad soldiers of "RoC".

There is the Turkish truth and the rest of the world truth. Unfortunately, the two are mutually exclusive!


So why don't EU armed forces attack Turkish troops in cyprus to kick those "violators", "invaders", "terrorist occupiers" out of Cyprus?
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Postby magikthrill » Thu Feb 24, 2005 2:55 pm

insan wrote:So why don't EU armed forces attack Turkish troops in cyprus to kick those "violators", "invaders", "terrorist occupiers" out of Cyprus?


You know I've always asked this question myself. Studying the issue more in depth I have come to different answers:

For one thing nobody wants another war, and nobody wants to destroy any diplomatic relations with Turkey. Secondly, the international community understands that its not the TCs fault for Turkey wanting to maintain its influence on the largest island in the Eastern Mediterranean.

Therefore, instead of attacking they are imposing sanctions, since the pen is mightier than the sword.
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Postby -mikkie2- » Thu Feb 24, 2005 2:57 pm

And what about the 45000 Turkish troops that continue to be re-inforced by Turkey? Is this an insignificant number in your eyes?

I now get the feeling that whatever happens now the only way to finish this once and for all is to have another war. Winner takes all. Is that fair to you?
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Postby insan » Thu Feb 24, 2005 3:05 pm

And what about the 45000 Turkish troops that continue to be re-inforced by Turkey? Is this an insignificant number in your eyes?


Allegations, allegations for further GC propaganda in order to back your ridiculous allegations.

I now get the feeling that whatever happens now the only way to finish this once and for all is to have another war. Winner takes all. Is that fair to you?


We prefer you to acknowledge the facts and respect TC community as the "politically equal" state partner of GC community. But if you prefer to go on a war with us, it's up to you. You are free to do so, as alway you have done in the past.
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